The Conjuring - Movie

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Debora123 said:
I have not watched insidious, but I didn’t get that sense from the priest in The Conjuring at all. 🤷

To each their own I guess.
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The priests are both portrayed as inept and ineffectual.

I don’t remember the exact quotes, but when the Warrens ask the priest for an exorcism, after showing him undeniable proof the family is in SERIOUS life & death danger from evil spirits, the priest takes off his glasses, and with righteous indignation at the evil he just witnessed will absolutely, DEFINITELY…do nothing in the movie except wait for Vatican approval for an exorcism. Would sending a priest to bless the house have killed him? How about conveying some theology about the nature of the demonic?

And there was line at the end of the movie…something like:

“the priest got approval for an exorcism”
“nice timing as usual” (sarcastic, as the exorcism was already done)

Remember everyone, you don’t need priests to do exorcisms, just paranormal investigators.
 
minion said:
The priests are both portrayed as inept and ineffectual.

I don’t remember the exact quotes, but when the Warrens ask the priest for an exorcism, after showing him undeniable proof the family is in SERIOUS life & death danger from evil spirits, the priest takes off his glasses, and with righteous indignation at the evil he just witnessed will absolutely, DEFINITELY…do nothing in the movie except wait for Vatican approval for an exorcism. Would sending a priest to bless the house have killed him? How about conveying some theology about the nature of the demonic?

And there was line at the end of the movie…something like:

“the priest got approval for an exorcism”
“nice timing as usual” (sarcastic, as the exorcism was already done)

Remember everyone, you don’t need priests to do exorcisms, just paranormal investigators.
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I don’t think you remember the scene very well. He takes off his glasses and said the family has not been baptized Catholic and that is one of the requirements for an exorcism. But after Warren insists, the priest says yes, he’ll do it. Both Warren and the priest were waiting on Vatican approval.

I guess I didn’t see it as offensive, it was just an accurate portrayal of how the Church would handle such a matter.
 
First movie in a long time that made me scream, I was pleasantly surprised with it 😃
 
Maybe I’ll see it now from the responses. I heard it was very good.
 
Debora123 said:
Yeah my husband is too scared to watch them too, lol. He downright refuses. I had to go watch it with a girlfriend. And yes, I definitely was scared that night, knowing it was all a true story… :o
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Is the film about the doll primarily or is there more to the plot? Very creepy and scary.:eek:
 
Debora123 said:
I don’t think you remember the scene very well. He takes off his glasses and said the family has not been baptized Catholic and that is one of the requirements for an exorcism. But after Warren insists, the priest says yes, he’ll do it. Both Warren and the priest were waiting on Vatican approval.

I guess I didn’t see it as offensive, it was just an accurate portrayal of how the Church would handle such a matter.
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I have to agree. A baptism is normally handled by the clergy however in extreme cases a baptism is handled by any catholic.

I can’t see this being any different with an violent possession where lives are on the line.

And they are not paranormal investigators. They are catholic militant whose interests are the defense of the faithful 'In conjunction" with the church.

I however will say though the church wasn’t show in a negative light I do however feel like Rome would have responded (if such a thing was to happen) with more haste.

But then again there are thousands of stories of generals/politicians/world leaders skeptical of the doom the protagonist paints which is to be fair unlikely. So I don’t see what minion saw.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
Is the film about the doll primarily or is there more to the plot? Very creepy and scary.:eek:
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No, the doll is actually in the movie as part of a former demonic attack. It isn’t a part of the plot itself. The plot follows the case of the Perron family if you want to look that up lol.
 
Actually, I think it was a great movie representing the devout Catholic laity. The Warrens, the “paranormal investigators” are a couple with one daughter, and they are obviously devout Catholics. At one point, totally out of context of the horrors around them, the wife makes the comment to her husband about how beautiful the Perron family is – five kids and all.

The movie also portrays a big family as being generally happy and loving, unlike many elements of modern culture that suggest that large families are somehow abnormal and socially stigmatized. The movie places the Perron family in the context of economic hardship, with the father describing how they purchased the home at a bank auction, his having to drive his truck from New England to Florida, and his responding to the possibility of staying somewhere other than the haunted farm house by asking “who would take in a family of seven?” To me, the Perron family, though not themselves religious (i.e., the kids weren’t baptized), represented a happy family where both mother and father had accepted vocations to be heads of household, in what we would call traditional gender roles.

To counterpoint the Perron family’s traditional gender roles, the Warrens work as a couple, both husband and wife. They leave their daughter with her grandmother so they can both work the case. Mr. Warren tries to protect his wife from harrowing scenes, a protection which she rebuffs, demanding to work together with him. The movie certainly portrays Mrs. Warren as the person left to worry about their daughter while they are away. To me, their working relationship is a loving example of a couple with both parents working.

The institutional church is portrayed as bureaucratic, with a priest stating that the Vatican requires approval of this kind of case. In keeping with the dramatized action in the movie (taking 10 years of events and packing them into what seems like a month), the approval being slow to arrive is the basis for Mr. Warren’s decision to violate Vatican policy (canon law?). I won’t spoil the ending…
 
Saw the movie - great stuff.

Currently I’m reading Ed Warren’s book The Demonologist. It is very compelling. I am actually learning a lot about the demonic, what does and does not signify it. The biggest piece of advice the book tries to get out there is that, when people use ouija boards, seances, Satanic rituals and chants, etc…they are inviting the demonic into their own homes.

It’s a very sobering read.
 
punisherthunder said:
Saw the movie - great stuff.

Currently I’m reading Ed Warren’s book The Demonologist. It is very compelling. I am actually learning a lot about the demonic, what does and does not signify it. The biggest piece of advice the book tries to get out there is that, when people use ouija boards, seances, Satanic rituals and chants, etc…they are inviting the demonic into their own homes.

It’s a very sobering read.
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Oooooh, I wanna read that!
 
I’m not really into the horror genre and the religious themed horror stuff keeps me awake, clutching at my Rosary. But now I am intrigued and will see this film. 🙂
 
I am a little confused about how the Warrens can be orthodox Catholics. Mrs. Warren claims to be “a psychic,” and in interviews repeats the popular belief that hauntings are often spirits of people who have died but are hanging around, for whatever reason. Mrs. Warren says they are people who have died “but can’t accept it.”

Don’t both these things, claiming to be a psychic and having a view that human spirits can hang around after bodily death, fly in the face of Catholic teaching?
 
Muswell said:
I am a little confused about how the Warrens can be orthodox Catholics. Mrs. Warren claims to be “a psychic,” and in interviews repeats the popular belief that hauntings are often spirits of people who have died but are hanging around, for whatever reason. Mrs. Warren says they are people who have died “but can’t accept it.”

Don’t both these things, claiming to be a psychic and having a view that human spirits can hang around after bodily death, fly in the face of Catholic teaching?
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I think the Catholic Church is actually silent on those 2 matters.
 
Debora123 said:
I think the Catholic Church is actually silent on those 2 matters.
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This is just a theory and based on little bits and pieces I have read: When a ghost hangs around a house or building, (there were spirits inhabiting the house in The Conjuring, not just demonic entities) it could be that God is allowing at least a part of this person’s purgatory to be experienced on earth. As far as Mrs. Warren is concerned, perhaps she was born with psychic ability and has chosen to use this gift to fight evil for the glory of God. Just a theory. Maybe someone else can shed more light.
 
hylandgl said:
This is just a theory and based on little bits and pieces I have read: When a ghost hangs around a house or building, (there were spirits inhabiting the house in The Conjuring, not just demonic entities) it could be that God is allowing at least a part of this person’s purgatory to be experienced on earth. As far as Mrs. Warren is concerned, perhaps she was born with psychic ability and has chosen to use this gift to fight evil for the glory of God. Just a theory. Maybe someone else can shed more light.
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I take anything the Warrens say with about a shipping container’s worth of salt. Read up on their involvement in the “Amityville Horror” and how they reacted to another investigator (Stephen Kaplan) discovering that the whole thing was a hoax.

That said, I still plan on seeing this movie, because I do enjoy horror films, and I like James Wan’s work.
 
Contra_Mundum said:
Which parts of the film were based on the true story?
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The whole thing is based on a true story. Though I guess there is a chance the Perrons and Warrens and everyone else involved might have made up the whole thing. 🤷
 
Greg,

thanks for the link.

I’m going to see the film tonight, and I am very curious. I’m sure that the Catholic aspect is dumbed down so the wider audience can stomach it. But it is good that it is in the film, to whatever extent.
 
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