The creationist and the evolutionist are wrong

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Form (as in life forms) is the basis of both “intelligent” design and natural “random” design.

We require a supernatural agency, like God, to provide** form**. There are no material objects that set their own form or physical limits.

So the creationist/evolutionist debate is skewed. It isn’t the source of design that is at issue, but the source of form, and form requires a supernatural intrusion into physical reality.
 
quit claiming people are right or wrong, seriously, it gets old.
 
Drop it please Gentle Folks.

There is a war on between FAITH and ATHEISM at all ;levels of the culture, the Middle Class and Poor beaten down by politicians with no vision or integrity to stop the robbers of our economic system.
And we are caught in a silly debate between two forces that should not compete, answers discovered from God’s Creation – still in the theory, hypothesis stage, but still acceptable as a means of exploring physics - and those found in His Holy Book of Genesis.
 
Jonesboy said:
Form (as in life forms) is the basis of both “intelligent” design and natural “random” design.

We require a supernatural agency, like God, to provide** form**. There are no material objects that set their own form or physical limits.

So the creationist/evolutionist debate is skewed. It isn’t the source of design that is at issue, but the source of form, and form requires a supernatural intrusion into physical reality.
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Your OP comes from a more or less correct sense of things, but also from a dreadful level of ignorance which might be corrected by dedicating a month or two to reading Michael Behe’s books.

Somewhere along the line of your serious investigations, you might develop an answer to this question, coming out of your OP:

On earth, “forms” are provided by ordinary human minds— artists and engineers. How, then, does your assertion that a supernatural agency is required to provide form make an iota of rational sense?
 
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Your OP comes from a more or less correct sense of things, but also from a dreadful level of ignorance which might be corrected by dedicating a month or two to reading Michael Behe’s books.

Somewhere along the line of your serious investigations, you might develop an answer to this question, coming out of your OP:

On earth, “forms” are provided by ordinary human minds— artists and engineers. How, then, does your assertion that a supernatural agency is required to provide form make an iota of rational sense?
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My OP can be deleted. I rewrote it.
Form isn’t found materially, so it requires a supramaterial agent or cause.
I was always ahead, profs and all, at uni in philosophy. I know that Beher wouldn’t be a match. I’m reading Wittgenstein at the mo.
THis OP has been rewritten so this one can be deleted.
 
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