The Crisis in the Sudan

[Kathy_McAvinue]

Why is there such an intolerance in Moslem societies toward Christians such as has been the case for twenty years in the Sudan? Where children were taken as slaves and people where killed by men on horses with machetes? Why is it that arab Moslems think that African Moslem can be killed because of their races or raped to Arababize the population? The only thing that I know for certain is that the Sudan is ruled by sharia law.
Afganistan was also under sharia law. Women were killed for being in public without a man. Girls had their genitals destroyed for honor or worse where killed for honor. There needs to be change in Islam.

 

[mjdonnelly]

Maybe it isn’t a very peaceful ‘religion’ like some claim.

 

[Shenango]

Kathy McAvinue:

Why is there such an intolerance in Moslem societies toward Christians such as has been the case for twenty years in the Sudan? Where children were taken as slaves and people where killed by men on horses with machetes?

First of all, Kathy, it is “Muslim”, and not “Moslem”. Secondly, everyone in Sudan suffers alike from the hands of the government, fellow Muslims, Christians and animists all.

Why is it that arab Moslems think that African Moslem can be killed because of their races or raped to Arababize the population?

Most Arab Muslims (including myself) do not believe that, and don’t condone what was allegedly done by the Janjaweed militias in Sudan. It is simply abominable, and condemned by the brotherly teachings of Islam.

The only thing that I know for certain is that the Sudan is ruled by sharia law.Afganistan was also under sharia law.

I’m afraid you’re mistaken. Neither state is run by Shari’ah Law.

Women were killed for being in public without a man. Girls had their genitals destroyed for honor or worse where killed for honor.

First of all, I’m not aware of how prevalent, if they existed at all, these practices were. And if they did, they are not from Islam.

 

[Kathy_McAvinue]

I find the fact that I have seen reports by bishops who have dioceses in the Sudan speak of the enforcement of sharia law but it is denied by Moslem in this nation. I find it funny that the feet on the ground are denied. I know that it is a Moslem tradition to lie to the infidels but in this age of technology it is like politicians lying we can find out the truth.

 

[Karin]

Kathy McAvinue:

I find the fact that I have seen reports by bishops who have dioceses in the Sudan speak of the enforcement of sharia law but it is denied by Moslem in this nation. I find it funny that the feet on the ground are denied. I know that it is a Moslem tradition to lie to the infidels but in this age of technology it is like politicians lying we can find out the truth.

Can you offer links to these “reports” please.
Please note that it is **Muslim **not Moslem.
Also before we accuse people of lying perhaps you can offer links, articles etc. to back these claims.

 

[mjdonnelly]

Karin:

Can you offer links to these “reports” please.
Please note that it is **Muslim **not Moslem.
Also before we accuse people of lying perhaps you can offer links, articles etc. to back these claims.

In countries where Islam is practiced, they’re called honor killing

There is nothing in the Koran, the book of basic Islamic teachings, that permits or sanctions honor killings. However, the view of women as property with no rights of their own is deeply rooted in Islamic culture.

Found in:

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html

Here’s more:
merip.org/mer/mer206/ruggi.htm
mwlusa.org/publications/positionpapers/hk.html

Very easy to find, information, people say they don’t happen either through ignorance or simple denial.

 

[siamesecat]

I dont think Islam as a religion is violent, but I think the societies that follow it are. The societies there are underdeveloped socially, still opressing women and using violence. I believe its just a coincidence that Islam is their religion, and that if their religion was Catholicism, theyd twist it into a violent religion too.

 

[ronald]

Shenango:

First of all, Kathy, it is “Muslim”, and not “Moslem”. Secondly, everyone in Sudan suffers alike from the hands of the government, fellow Muslims, Christians and animists all.

Most Arab Muslims (including myself) do not believe that, and don’t condone what was allegedly done by the Janjaweed militias in Sudan. It is simply abominable, and condemned by the brotherly teachings of Islam.

I’m afraid you’re mistaken. Neither state is run by Shari’ah Law.

First of all, I’m not aware of how prevalent, if they existed at all, these practices were. And if they did, they are not from Islam.

If a state ruled by syariah law it will tolerate all religions. so it’s true that Sudan is not run by that law coz it is an intolerant country

 

[Franze]

It´s curious, muslims to defend islam saying that no country makes the shariah correctly. Saudi Arabia, Iran and Sudan, muslims, very muslims make mad the shariah. But if none muslim makes a perfect islam, Allah failed, in 14 centuries, not producing the good islam is a defeat for islam.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

siamesecat:

I dont think Islam as a religion is violent, but I think the societies that follow it are. The societies there are underdeveloped socially, still opressing women and using violence. I believe its just a coincidence that Islam is their religion, and that if their religion was Catholicism, theyd twist it into a violent religion too.

Measured by 1400 years of existence one has to wonder when these Muslim societies are going to grow out of their violent ways. There are exceptions to this violence and mistreatment of others in Muslim dominated countries but they seem the minority.

Dan L

 

[GregoryPalamas]

ronald:

If a state ruled by syariah law it will tolerate all religions. so it’s true that Sudan is not run by that law coz it is an intolerant country

I still remember reasing a report some years ago about sex slavery in North Africa. The book went on and on offering testimony from survivors of this brutality and the many things done to try to curb it. The response from the Muslim governments usually followed the same line: “We’ve outlawed sex slavery so we know it does not exist.” Yep, we’ve read and heard this line of “reasoning” before.

Dan L

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Karin:

Please note that it is **Muslim **not Moslem.
.

It can be Moslem or Muslim. Same as Mohammed can be Muhammed or Taliban Taleban etc. There is no direct English translation for these Arabic words as these words are just transliterations.

God bless,

 

[meedo]

“I dont think Islam as a religion is violent, but I think the societies that follow it are. The societies there are underdeveloped socially, still opressing women and using violence. I believe its just a coincidence that Islam is their religion, and that if their religion was Catholicism, theyd twist it into a violent religion too.”

As a person who is living currently in a very populated ( 75 miliion) Arab muslim middle easterner countr i can vouch for the truthfulness of this statement .

Rwanda genocide happened Mainly By christians . Even teh catholic church had a huge PR problem there .

Look guys , there is simply somthing called the Traiangle of Death which comprises of

1- Poverty
2- Ignorance
3- Disease

wherever you will fimd those 3 you will find trouble , weather Muslim world or not . There are many war torn african nations who arent muslim but christians and have many problems with human rights and child slavery and child sex and stuff. Intsead of throwing bricks we must admit that the Triangle of death is a problem in the face of a peaceful life to all of us .

We here all the time about Human trafficing in Eastern europe. Including trafficing into sex trade . why isnt christianity blamed ?

Why do u NEVER hear a muslim blame christianity for Human trafficing in eastern europe?

what about the Drug trade in Colombia ? what about the Massacres of Bosnian Muslims in Bonsia ? Just because at these times the muslim world is less developed doenst mean that people can be oppurtunists about the FAITH . There were times christianity was in dark ages .

I hope that my fellow christians undertsand that Muslims do differentiate between faith and life situations and thei reasons ( we really arent that dumb) and i hope they unerstand that saying thinsg that arent quite true about my faith right in my face when i KNow more about it doesnt help the advancement of your faith in my heart .

In Egypt there is every color you can think of , i never heared any body discriminates by color in my whole entire life!!!

Please come and see for yoru self , i am sad to say that we do not trust your pastors. There are some of them that are willing to twist the truth for the advancement of their causes .

You will believe that i am allowed to lie to you while actually i have no reason to . If there is a problem in sudan and ofcourse there is because its a very poor country then i will be very happy to confess and try to rectify it .

Peace

 

[meedo]

“Musslim” is the correct pronounciation in arabic , which is my language.

Thanks

 

[JOHNYJ]

Sudan is a lvig example of European hypocricy. The same countries that make cracks about Oil and the U S in Iraq. Won’t call whats going on in Sudan Genocide,because. Europe has " interests " in Sudan and doesn’t want to get the Sudanese govt. mad. What Europe has is responsibilities in the Sudan which they are failing. You can add the U N to the people who are failing in the Sudan.The United States should stay out of the Sudan. Not one person to the Sudan. Send aid to Camaroon and let someonelse deliver it !

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

meedo:

Please come and see for yoru self , i am sad to say that we do not trust your pastors. There are some of them that are willing to twist the truth for the advancement of their causes .

That statement can be turned around as well. What about all the Islamic clerics in the middle east that are pushing for terrorism and violence?

God bless,

 

[meedo]

Yes i agree that there are bad people everywhere. I have no problem with saying that .