The Crisis of Moral Absolutism in the Church and the World

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Our Holy Father recently stated at World Youth Day the following:

There is also something sinister which stems from the fact that freedom and tolerance are so often separated from truth. This is fuelled by the notion, widely held today, that there are no absolute truths to guide our lives. Relativism, by indiscriminately giving value to practically everything, has made “experience” all-important. Yet, experiences, detached from any consideration of what is good or true, can lead, not to genuine freedom, but to moral or intellectual confusion, to a lowering of standards, to a loss of self-respect, and even to despair.

I reference what the Pope said because of his comments concerning the dangers of relativism, the lack of a moral absolute, and the prevailing notion throughout the world, as a result of increasing international business and relations, democratization, and the influence of the media (both press and popular), that individualism must be embraced thereby simultaneously affirming the differing ideologies, theologies, moralities, etc. which follow in tandem with the individual. The individual is given value by having, expressing, and utilizing unique opinions concerning race, religion, politics, and morality, but those opinions are typically shaped by social and cultural mores and even then are nonetheless understood by the listening public as relative truths, an “expert’s opinion,” or another brick in the wall. As a result, the world society is left in a general state of confusion and maxims such as “to each his/her own,” “whatever floats your boat,” etc. rule the day; the world’s religions are just another voice shouting in the wilderness, another individuality expressed amongst the rest; and God is multiple choice

What does this mean for Catholics? And what does this mean for relations with non-Catholics?

As Catholics, we believe we hold the fullness of truth in Christ and his Church. As a Christocentric people, our beliefs, our livelihoods, and our methods of worship are to be lived and proclaimed as the One Absolute Truth of the entire universe, applicable to all men regardless of race, culture, ethnicity, time, place, political circumstance, etc. But we also believe in the mercy and justice of God who reconciles all men unto himself through his own mysterious means; that non-Catholics and non-Christians have chances for salvation through these same myserious means; but Christ is still the universal law, the universal precept of salvation, the way, the truth, and the life.

How then must the Catholic engage the world which, in its increasingly secular ideology, attempts to be “neutral, impartial and inclusive of everyone” but which, in reality, shapes society “in a godless image” (PB XVI)? When dealing with the individual who prides his or herself upon intellectualized notions of race, religion, politics and morality, quoting from a dynamic ensemble of thinkers, philosophers and authors, what chance does the Catholic stand in being heard as the voice of moral absolutism rather than just another voice proclaiming moral relativism? Even when the lone Catholic falls back on his/her Church, even within the Church there exists such relativism and a true lack of solidarity. Catholics who support anti-Catholic opportunisms such as contraceptives, abortion, stem-cell research, in vitro fertilization, etc. dilute the authority of the Church in the eyes of non-Catholics and non-Christians thereby making our witness for a true moral absolutism futile. Without solidarity in the Church there can be no solidarity in the world. In the past, the Church has to fight against heresies and schisms, a lack of solidarity concerning its theology, but only now is the Church faced with a lack of solidarity concernings its fundamental morals.

If you do not believe in the moral absolutism of Christ and His Church, then why do you profess to be a part of the Body of Christ, a body that clearly does not sanction such morality? I am not saying that we have no need of you, nor am I asking you to leave Holy Mother Church for “the eye cannot say to the hand, 'I have no need of you,” but “if one member suffers, all suffer together.” The witness of us all does, in truth, suffer when some of us choose to ignore the moral absolutism which God Himself is. If we all proclaim Christ together, how can non-Catholics or non-Christians know who Christ is or what he taught if we ourselves fail to adhere to his law?
 
Our Holy Father recently stated at World Youth Day the following:

There is also something sinister which stems from the fact that freedom and tolerance are so often separated from truth. This is fuelled by the notion, widely held today, that there are no absolute truths to guide our lives. Relativism, by indiscriminately giving value to practically everything, has made “experience” all-important. Yet, experiences, detached from any consideration of what is good or true, can lead, not to genuine freedom, but to moral or intellectual confusion, to a lowering of standards, to a loss of self-respect, and even to despair.

I reference what the Pope said because of his comments concerning the dangers of relativism, the lack of a moral absolute, and the prevailing notion throughout the world, as a result of increasing international business and relations, democratization, and the influence of the media (both press and popular), that individualism must be embraced thereby simultaneously affirming the differing ideologies, theologies, moralities, etc. which follow in tandem with the individual. The individual is given value by having, expressing, and utilizing unique opinions concerning race, religion, politics, and morality, but those opinions are typically shaped by social and cultural mores and even then are nonetheless understood by the listening public as relative truths, an “expert’s opinion,” or another brick in the wall. As a result, the world society is left in a general state of confusion and maxims such as “to each his/her own,” “whatever floats your boat,” etc. rule the day; the world’s religions are just another voice shouting in the wilderness, another individuality expressed amongst the rest; and God is multiple choice

What does this mean for Catholics? And what does this mean for relations with non-Catholics?

As Catholics, we believe we hold the fullness of truth in Christ and his Church. As a Christocentric people, our beliefs, our livelihoods, and our methods of worship are to be lived and proclaimed as the One Absolute Truth of the entire universe, applicable to all men regardless of race, culture, ethnicity, time, place, political circumstance, etc. But we also believe in the mercy and justice of God who reconciles all men unto himself through his own mysterious means; that non-Catholics and non-Christians have chances for salvation through these same myserious means; but Christ is still the universal law, the universal precept of salvation, the way, the truth, and the life.

How then must the Catholic engage the world which, in its increasingly secular ideology, attempts to be “neutral, impartial and inclusive of everyone” but which, in reality, shapes society “in a godless image” (PB XVI)? When dealing with the individual who prides his or herself upon intellectualized notions of race, religion, politics and morality, quoting from a dynamic ensemble of thinkers, philosophers and authors, what chance does the Catholic stand in being heard as the voice of moral absolutism rather than just another voice proclaiming moral relativism? Even when the lone Catholic falls back on his/her Church, even within the Church there exists such relativism and a true lack of solidarity. Catholics who support anti-Catholic opportunisms such as contraceptives, abortion, stem-cell research, in vitro fertilization, etc. dilute the authority of the Church in the eyes of non-Catholics and non-Christians thereby making our witness for a true moral absolutism futile. Without solidarity in the Church there can be no solidarity in the world. In the past, the Church has to fight against heresies and schisms, a lack of solidarity concerning its theology, but only now is the Church faced with a lack of solidarity concernings its fundamental morals.

If you do not believe in the moral absolutism of Christ and His Church, then why do you profess to be a part of the Body of Christ, a body that clearly does not sanction such morality? I am not saying that we have no need of you, nor am I asking you to leave Holy Mother Church for “the eye cannot say to the hand, 'I have no need of you,” but “if one member suffers, all suffer together.” The witness of us all does, in truth, suffer when some of us choose to ignore the moral absolutism which God Himself is. If we all proclaim Christ together, how can non-Catholics or non-Christians know who Christ is or what he taught if we ourselves fail to adhere to his law?
So can you summarise - do you have a **specific **point?
 
to me and to many i know, it is not a problem so much of acknowledging that there are moral absolutes. jesus said in john " If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." the problem is not deciding whether or not to follow christ, but rather in which direction Christ went. in other words, most people will acknowledge many issues of absolute truth, but to decide what is wright and wrong among the absolute is a further challenge.

I agree that unity is important among the church, but the ability to speak freely is an important article of a democratic society, which is why it was among the first clause in the bill of rights. inevitably, there will follow the semi-wright and the fully-wrong from this freedom of speech, but arguably this array of moral-senses is a benefit in that it allows us to make the most informed decision. if you follow Christ because you know nothing of any other system, i question the depths your devotion is capable of. ignorance of A-Y is a poor way to devote yourself to Z. moreover, it will hinder your ability to communicate with the inevitable variety of cultures among us, that is a lack of information, be it correct or incorrect.
If, on the other hand, after making a meticulous survey of the other possible positions, you come to rest on your own, then you will surely have logic on your side, and logic is surely a tool and extension of god.
 
What about blind faith? And just because the Church teaches one thing doesn’t mean that you can’t look at the alternative beliefs, but surely logic falls with the Catholic Church period because it has 2000+ years of experience and the protection from the gates of Hell, while anyone else has 40 ish, maybe more maybe less, years of experience, years which have been under attack by the Devil many, many times. 👍
 
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