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bacon_man
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I was watching something on the Cusades, the Crusaders beleived that if they died in battle, their sins would be forgiven and they’d go to heaven, was this true?
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Verbum
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HI BC,
The Crusaders were granted indulgences, but many may have believed their sins would be forgiven, as ignorance about indulgences has been rampant right down to our days.
For an extensive history of the Crusades, see newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm
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The Crusaders were granted indulgences, but many may have believed their sins would be forgiven, as ignorance about indulgences has been rampant right down to our days.
For an extensive history of the Crusades, see newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm
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Al_Masetti
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FYI, we now have a thread containing books and other useful references on the Crusades.
Here is the CAF link:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=349656
Here is the CAF link:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=349656
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bacon_man
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Really, I didn’t know that. I remember reading a quote from Pope Eugenius III saying “Whoever devotedly undertakes and performs this most holy journey…shall have the enjoyment of eternal reward from the repayer of all men.” I assume he was talking about the Crusades. Pope Urban II said “Undertake this journey for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the imperishable glory of the Kingdom of Heaven!” Now I can’t guarrantee these quotes are accurate, I have a game with the crusades and it has a bunch of quotes by famous people. But are they talking about indulgences?HI BC,
The Crusaders were granted indulgences, but many may have believed their sins would be forgiven, as ignorance about indulgences has been rampant right down to our days.
For an extensive history of the Crusades, see newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm
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Rolltide
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During the First Crusade, the pope issued for the first time what was known as the “Plenary Indulgence”. Some people were afraid to go on the Crusade because they knew they might be called upon to kill someone, but given that there would be very few priests, they might die before they were able to go to confession, The pope gave a dispensation called the Plenary Indulgence that said if you died fighting for your faith (and only if you died), you would be considered a holy martyr, and your death essentially served as your penance for your sins.
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bacon_man
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Doesn’t that only take away punishment in purgatory? Or was this special? Or was it because they were considered martyers.During the First Crusade, the pope issued for the first time what was known as the “Plenary Indulgence”. Some people were afraid to go on the Crusade because they knew they might be called upon to kill someone, but given that there would be very few priests, they might die before they were able to go to confession, The pope gave a dispensation called the Plenary Indulgence that said if you died fighting for your faith (and only if you died), you would be considered a holy martyr, and your death essentially served as your penance for your sins.
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Rolltide
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Yes, it was because they would be martyred for the faith. Their rather gruesome death would satisfy the need for temporal punishment. (Remember, a penance served on earth removes the need for temporal punishment in purgatory.)Doesn’t that only take away punishment in purgatory? Or was this special? Or was it because they were considered martyers.
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bacon_man
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I see, but doesnt martydom forgive mortal sins also?Yes, it was because they would be martyred for the faith. Their rather gruesome death would satisfy the need for temporal punishment. (Remember, a penance served on earth removes the need for temporal punishment in purgatory.)
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Rolltide
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Yes, it forgives them, but I’m not sure it remits the temporal punishment. In other words, without the indulgence, one would end up in purgatory first, rather than heaven.I see, but doesnt martydom forgive mortal sins also?
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bacon_man
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I probably should have said remit. but anyways, so basically those Catholics who died fighting in the Crusades were martyered and went to heaven? And did Orthodox Christians fight in the crusades? Were they considered martyers?
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Axion
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The trouble is that this indulgence for people who died on Crusade has been twisted by anti-Catholics in books, TV and films (eg, Kingdom of Heaven) into something different - That you got to heaven by killing Saracens.
This is not true. You gained heaven by dying for the faith - not killing. But these people will twist anything to try to use it against the Church.
This is not true. You gained heaven by dying for the faith - not killing. But these people will twist anything to try to use it against the Church.
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bacon_man
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agreed, leftwing bias has twisted it.The trouble is that this indulgence for people who died on Crusade has been twisted by anti-Catholics in books, TV and films (eg, Kingdom of Heaven) into something different - That you got to heaven by killing Saracens.
This is not true. You gained heaven by dying for the faith - not killing. But these people will twist anything to try to use it against the Church.
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