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Can anyone here help me or guide me to better knowledge of the Crusades? books? dvds? etc etc
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Ignatius
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Here are a couple from Catholic Answers:Can anyone here help me or guide me to better knowledge of the Crusades? books? dvds? etc etc
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“catholic.com/thisrock/2006/0603tbt.asp”,
“catholic.com/radio/event.php?calendar=1&category=&event=6452&date=2010-10-25”
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Barbkw
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amazon.com/New-Concise-History-Crusades/dp/0742538222
The historian / writer of this book, Dr. Thomas F. Madden was on EWTN “Faith and Culture” with Colleen Carroll Campbell.
ewtn.com/series/shows/faithAndCulture/faithAndCultureEpisode.html
The historian / writer of this book, Dr. Thomas F. Madden was on EWTN “Faith and Culture” with Colleen Carroll Campbell.
ewtn.com/series/shows/faithAndCulture/faithAndCultureEpisode.html
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Monte_RCMS
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There are already a lot of threads that provide background information on the Crusades.
THE CRUSADES is the second longest struggle of the Christian Church; the first is the invasion of Christian lands by Islam … still ongoing.
There were two sets of Crusades: ten to the Holy Land and a large number to Spain.
We’re still feeling the effects.
Use the “search” button and type in “Crusades”.
A lot of threads come up including this one.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=497281&highlight=crusades
This thread contains a LOT of reference material:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=451077&highlight=Crusades+references
This link discusses the number of deaths:
necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm
THE CRUSADES is the second longest struggle of the Christian Church; the first is the invasion of Christian lands by Islam … still ongoing.
There were two sets of Crusades: ten to the Holy Land and a large number to Spain.
We’re still feeling the effects.
Use the “search” button and type in “Crusades”.
A lot of threads come up including this one.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=497281&highlight=crusades
This thread contains a LOT of reference material:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=451077&highlight=Crusades+references
This link discusses the number of deaths:
necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm
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BornAgain2010
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I read a few on the Crusades…
the aptly titled “Crusades: Myths and History Revealed” by Michael Paine. It talks mainly about the history, but also gives valuable insights into what is happening now over there. The history though is all-inclusive, but still covers remarkable specifics.
search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Crusades/Michael-Paine/e/9781435108202/
and “God’s Battalions: The Case for the Crusades”
search.barnesandnoble.com/Gods-Battalions/Rodney-Stark/e/9780061582615/
this one was actually written as a code of ethics for a Knightly Order founded by the French King sometime in the 12th or 13th centuries. The author, Sir Geoffroi de Charny, was himself a Crusader and was one of the first few documented owners of the Shroud of Turin.
search.barnesandnoble.com/A-Knights-Own-Book-of-Chivalry/Geoffroi-de-Charny/e/9780812219098/?itm=1&USRI=geoffroi+de+charny
the aptly titled “Crusades: Myths and History Revealed” by Michael Paine. It talks mainly about the history, but also gives valuable insights into what is happening now over there. The history though is all-inclusive, but still covers remarkable specifics.
search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Crusades/Michael-Paine/e/9781435108202/
and “God’s Battalions: The Case for the Crusades”
search.barnesandnoble.com/Gods-Battalions/Rodney-Stark/e/9780061582615/
this one was actually written as a code of ethics for a Knightly Order founded by the French King sometime in the 12th or 13th centuries. The author, Sir Geoffroi de Charny, was himself a Crusader and was one of the first few documented owners of the Shroud of Turin.
search.barnesandnoble.com/A-Knights-Own-Book-of-Chivalry/Geoffroi-de-Charny/e/9780812219098/?itm=1&USRI=geoffroi+de+charny
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Monte_RCMS
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Lengthy discussion from somewhere else:
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Outside of wj correct answer: This is something I found .However other disagree. Everything does not have a definite answer.
Wax
Deaths over history: religious vs. nonreligous
I heard a while back that more people had died in the name of Jesus than in the name of Hitler. I’d always wondered if it was true, it seemed perfectly plausible given the persistence and viciousness of the Vatican during the Crusades. Unfortunately, I had found it difficult to find a number of deaths from the Crusades. But, I found in Google Answers, this webpage that chronicles numerous human conflicts and includes a category for religious conflicts. The numbers are hazy, of course, when we’re speaking about conflicts hundreds or thousands of years ago when death tallies were not a priority or of mild interest like they are today.
In short, 809 million people have died in religious wars. That’s nearly a billion people.
LENGTHY RESPONSE:
Oftentimes, a retort is that secular ideals and Godless Communism have killed many more. It is true that Stalin, among others, slaughtered his own people by the millions during the industrialization of Soviet Russia. By comparison, 209 million have died in the name of Communism. Some 62 million died during World War II, civilian and military, on all sides. Conclusively, more people have died in the name of religion than in the name of Communism or Hitler, or the two combined times two.
Best estimate of the deaths caused by the Crusades is: 3 million.
Several sources place the number as high as 9 million and as low as 1 million.
You really should read the whole thing including the comments, especially since if you had read just a little further along, you would have found something more authoritative.
Always read the comments and the remarks, whether it is some internet source like this one or www.lucianne.com or a financial statement.
The “billion” number you quoted was probably the entire population of the whole hemisphere / “quartersphere” or region for the entire 200-year time period in question. Or thereabouts. And since everybody eventually died, that’s what the “alleged originator” included. Not good scholarship on his part.
This is the link to what you quoted:
bookrate.wordpress.com/2006/07/22/deaths-over-history-religious-vs-nonreligous/
You quoted a source which the commenters immediately repudiated.
Here is what one commenter said:
“The TOTAL population back in the time of the Crusades and Inquistion was no more than 150 Million and the Black Death claimed about 50 Million. So these estimates are really laughable.”
Anyway, go here and take a look at the detailed analyses.
users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#Albigensian
Crusades (1095-1291) 3 000 000
Estimated totals:
Robertson, John M., A Short History of Christianity (1902) p.278: 9,000,000
Aletheia, The Rationalist’s Manual: 5,000,000
Henry William Elson, Modern Times and the Living Past, (1921) p. 261: 5,000,000
Om Prakesh Jaggi, Religion, Practice and Science of Non-violence, (1974) p. 40: “The crusades cost Europe five million young men”
Fielding Hudson Garrison, Notes on the History of Military Medicine, Association of Military Surgeons, (1922) p. 106: 3,000,000 total, incl. 2,000,000 Europeans
MEDIAN: 3 million
Philip Alexander Prince, Parallel universal history, an outline of the history and biography of the world divided into … (1838) p.207: “Although two million souls perished in the Crusades…”
Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841): 2,000,000 Europeans killed.
[bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html]](http://www.bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html])
Wertham: 1,000,000
John Shertzer Hittell, A Brief History of Culture (1874) p.137: "In the two centuries of this warfare one million persons had been slain…
Here is another interesting quote that took exception to the billion number:
“The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity’s poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.”
LENGTHY COMMENT
Outside of wj correct answer: This is something I found .However other disagree. Everything does not have a definite answer.
Wax
Deaths over history: religious vs. nonreligous
I heard a while back that more people had died in the name of Jesus than in the name of Hitler. I’d always wondered if it was true, it seemed perfectly plausible given the persistence and viciousness of the Vatican during the Crusades. Unfortunately, I had found it difficult to find a number of deaths from the Crusades. But, I found in Google Answers, this webpage that chronicles numerous human conflicts and includes a category for religious conflicts. The numbers are hazy, of course, when we’re speaking about conflicts hundreds or thousands of years ago when death tallies were not a priority or of mild interest like they are today.
In short, 809 million people have died in religious wars. That’s nearly a billion people.
LENGTHY RESPONSE:
Oftentimes, a retort is that secular ideals and Godless Communism have killed many more. It is true that Stalin, among others, slaughtered his own people by the millions during the industrialization of Soviet Russia. By comparison, 209 million have died in the name of Communism. Some 62 million died during World War II, civilian and military, on all sides. Conclusively, more people have died in the name of religion than in the name of Communism or Hitler, or the two combined times two.
Best estimate of the deaths caused by the Crusades is: 3 million.
Several sources place the number as high as 9 million and as low as 1 million.
You really should read the whole thing including the comments, especially since if you had read just a little further along, you would have found something more authoritative.
Always read the comments and the remarks, whether it is some internet source like this one or www.lucianne.com or a financial statement.
The “billion” number you quoted was probably the entire population of the whole hemisphere / “quartersphere” or region for the entire 200-year time period in question. Or thereabouts. And since everybody eventually died, that’s what the “alleged originator” included. Not good scholarship on his part.
This is the link to what you quoted:
bookrate.wordpress.com/2006/07/22/deaths-over-history-religious-vs-nonreligous/
You quoted a source which the commenters immediately repudiated.
Here is what one commenter said:
“The TOTAL population back in the time of the Crusades and Inquistion was no more than 150 Million and the Black Death claimed about 50 Million. So these estimates are really laughable.”
Anyway, go here and take a look at the detailed analyses.
users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#Albigensian
Crusades (1095-1291) 3 000 000
Estimated totals:
Robertson, John M., A Short History of Christianity (1902) p.278: 9,000,000
Aletheia, The Rationalist’s Manual: 5,000,000
Henry William Elson, Modern Times and the Living Past, (1921) p. 261: 5,000,000
Om Prakesh Jaggi, Religion, Practice and Science of Non-violence, (1974) p. 40: “The crusades cost Europe five million young men”
Fielding Hudson Garrison, Notes on the History of Military Medicine, Association of Military Surgeons, (1922) p. 106: 3,000,000 total, incl. 2,000,000 Europeans
MEDIAN: 3 million
Philip Alexander Prince, Parallel universal history, an outline of the history and biography of the world divided into … (1838) p.207: “Although two million souls perished in the Crusades…”
Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841): 2,000,000 Europeans killed.
[bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html]](http://www.bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html])
Wertham: 1,000,000
John Shertzer Hittell, A Brief History of Culture (1874) p.137: "In the two centuries of this warfare one million persons had been slain…
Here is another interesting quote that took exception to the billion number:
“The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity’s poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.”
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Randy_Carson
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Articles on the CrusadesCan anyone here help me or guide me to better knowledge of the Crusades? books? dvds? etc etc
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Stephen
THE CRUSADES 101
by James Akin
catholic.net/rcc/Periodic…/article3.html
The Real History of the Crusades
By Thomas F. Madden
oldarchive.godspy.com/issues/…adden.cfm.html
Crusade Myths
By Thomas F. Madden
ignatiusinsight.com/featu…yths_feb05.asp
CRUSADING FOR THE TRUTH
By Robert P. Lockwood
catholic.com/thisrock/2006/0603tbt.asp
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CatholicFireman
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Here’s another thread on the subject in case you are interested:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=466501
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=466501
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Spencerian
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I found this article on First Principles very illuminating as well.
The First Crusade was the first counter-attack by a more organized Christian military force against invasions by Islamic forces that had gone on for 400 years prior.
The First Crusade was the first counter-attack by a more organized Christian military force against invasions by Islamic forces that had gone on for 400 years prior.
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ESMDHokie77
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7 lies about Catholic History is a small little book, one of those lies deals with the Crusades.
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