The cult of personality responsiblity

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A recent incident has got me thinking about the whole cult of personal responsiblity, especially as used to shirk social responsiblity. Here’s what happened:
My wife does charity work with a group that helps single parents out with food, clothes, and such. She knows several of the women that come in regularly. As most of you know the Welfare reform of 1996 gave state’s both reason and incentives to get people of all forms of welfare no matter what. So in addition to state manadated child support to force this woman’s children off state medical coverage they’re forcing the father to pay for medical insurance through his employer. Now I know this is were the die hard republicans jump up and chant “personal responsiblity” over and over. The thing is, and I’ve seen the policy, it’s the absolute worst insurance you could imagine. Whereas the state insurance is quite good. Well the little girl fell off her bike and broke her arm, normal childhood injury. Well the co-pay on this insurance is over $800. Now the father can’t afford to pay, and the state says since he’s flipping for the medical insurance he doesn’t have to, it’s mom’s responsilbity. Thing is when you get your canned goods from a charity odds are you don’t have 800 bucks lying around. In another case a woman’s children were forced off the state’s medical plan because technically the father had to enroll them in employer provided medical insurance. However, federal law maxs garnishment at 50 percent of a paycheck. As such the child support judgement is high enough that after they’re done taking it there isn’t enough left over in that 50 percent limit and so the children just have no coverage.
The whole thing got me thinking about the “mircles” of Welfare reform of '96. Sort of the notion that unpaid child support was going to fix the welfare problem. In Californa, for example, less than 1 percent of the state’s uncollected child support is for people that earn $50,000 a year or more. Which in most of Californa $50,000 a year is like $30,000 in most other parts of the country. Now the model Wisconsin uses, at a straight 14% of income, produces the country’s highest child support payments. So if you were making $1,800 a month that would mean you had to pay $252 a month. The economic reality is while it certain is a hardship for someone at that income level to pay 250 bucks a month it equally is not enough to provide any real help to the custodial parent.
Some other issues I’ve noticed, states have a deep financial incentive to collect child support, as such they aren’t interested in collecting it from the right person so long as they are garnishing someone’s wages. It mostly seems the result of compelling women to name a father if they need help. While I don’t condone lose sexual behavior the fact is a lot of these women may not really know who the father is, but they absolutely have to name one. This leads to picking names at random or fingering a name they’ve picked up here or there. If one of these state employees thinks they’ve found the person they send out a notice which gives a grand total of 30 days to file a written complaint against the parternity suit. If the guy is gone, no longer lives at the address, or any other number of reasons doesn’t file a response a default judgement is entered. In LA county last year 2/3 of all such judgements were entered by default. This leaves someone that even with overwhelming DNA evidence on his side is often stuck with someone else’s child support bill. It really seems the personal responiblity cult is more about saving a few percent on taxes and is willing to give up other people’s right to due process to have the extra money.
I’m left with the conclusion that the personal responiblity cult is more about punishing the less fortunate and avoiding social responsiblity than anything constructive.
 
I’m left with the conclusion that the personal responiblity cult is more about punishing the less fortunate and avoiding social responsiblity than anything constructive.
What else is new? Americans have always regarded poverty as a sin and hated the “sinners”.
 
That’s the ONE reason I’ve always thanked God for Communism 😃 : we still have free medical insurance for everyone in Serbia, no matter what happens.
 
What else is new? Americans have always regarded poverty as a sin and hated the “sinners”.
i think it is more an example of the fact that the government is incapable of fixing most problems. i know that i sound cynical but just about any solution that they come up with is bound to fail or be unfair to someone.😦

if the legal system really wanted to discover who the father of the child is then they would provide low cost dna testing as soon as a man is accused. they don’t because the goverment only wants to pass the responsibility on to another person.

its the poor kids that i feel sorry for.
 
A recent incident has got me thinking about the whole cult of personal responsiblity, especially as used to shirk social responsiblity.
As a society, even the US cannot afford the bill for sexual promiscuity. So the only answer is to say that it is passed on to the father, and because he can’t afford it either, the child goes without.

It is not easy, it is not fair on the children, but that seems to be the reality.
 
A recent incident has got me thinking about the whole cult of personal responsiblity, especially as used to shirk social responsiblity. Here’s what happened:
My wife does charity work with a group that helps single parents out with food, clothes, and such. She knows several of the women that come in regularly. As most of you know the Welfare reform of 1996 gave state’s both reason and incentives to get people of all forms of welfare no matter what. So in addition to state manadated child support to force this woman’s children off state medical coverage they’re forcing the father to pay for medical insurance through his employer. Now I know this is were the die hard republicans jump up and chant “personal responsiblity” over and over. The thing is, and I’ve seen the policy, it’s the absolute worst insurance you could imagine. Whereas the state insurance is quite good. Well the little girl fell off her bike and broke her arm, normal childhood injury. Well the co-pay on this insurance is over $800. Now the father can’t afford to pay, and the state says since he’s flipping for the medical insurance he doesn’t have to, it’s mom’s responsilbity. Thing is when you get your canned goods from a charity odds are you don’t have 800 bucks lying around. In another case a woman’s children were forced off the state’s medical plan because technically the father had to enroll them in employer provided medical insurance. However, federal law maxs garnishment at 50 percent of a paycheck. As such the child support judgement is high enough that after they’re done taking it there isn’t enough left over in that 50 percent limit and so the children just have no coverage.
The whole thing got me thinking about the “mircles” of Welfare reform of '96. Sort of the notion that unpaid child support was going to fix the welfare problem. In Californa, for example, less than 1 percent of the state’s uncollected child support is for people that earn $50,000 a year or more. Which in most of Californa $50,000 a year is like $30,000 in most other parts of the country. Now the model Wisconsin uses, at a straight 14% of income, produces the country’s highest child support payments. So if you were making $1,800 a month that would mean you had to pay $252 a month. The economic reality is while it certain is a hardship for someone at that income level to pay 250 bucks a month it equally is not enough to provide any real help to the custodial parent.
Some other issues I’ve noticed, states have a deep financial incentive to collect child support, as such they aren’t interested in collecting it from the right person so long as they are garnishing someone’s wages. It mostly seems the result of compelling women to name a father if they need help. While I don’t condone lose sexual behavior the fact is a lot of these women may not really know who the father is, but they absolutely have to name one. This leads to picking names at random or fingering a name they’ve picked up here or there. If one of these state employees thinks they’ve found the person they send out a notice which gives a grand total of 30 days to file a written complaint against the parternity suit. If the guy is gone, no longer lives at the address, or any other number of reasons doesn’t file a response a default judgement is entered. In LA county last year 2/3 of all such judgements were entered by default. This leaves someone that even with overwhelming DNA evidence on his side is often stuck with someone else’s child support bill. It really seems the personal responiblity cult is more about saving a few percent on taxes and is willing to give up other people’s right to due process to have the extra money.
I’m left with the conclusion that the personal responiblity cult is more about punishing the less fortunate and avoiding social responsiblity than anything constructive.
 
you use the word…cult…that is of course to quickly dismiss anyone from challenging your note…after all no one wants to be identified as a rather ignorant person. As a child of immigrants…a guy who received a rotten public school education,a guy who after writing a letter to the local paper about the death of a Catholic priest and African American minister…complimenting both…and for that had a hangmans noose hung over his light bulb at work…a guy who then went to college 8 years at nite to become a teacher…then teaching in a catholic (small c) high school ,starting salary $6,000 a year as a daddy of 6…I dont think its so funny to be called a republican cultist etc…who knows I may be ,in the eyes of God,your equal…even tho I do believe in personal responsibility as did Jesus…its still rather boring for over aged hippes to place a guitar in Jesus’ hands and portray Him as a concerned social worker…if Jesus were a social worker only He would never have been murdered by the left wing demoncrat type (see how easy to do what you did) haters…Jesus always spoke for the individual…as in the day laborers story,the centurion,the woman at the well…we go to heaven or hell one at a time…never by committee…Nino
 
Canadians pay higher taxes than Americans, but the provinces provide from that a comprehensive health insurance program to ALL citizens and landed immigrants. This covers the employed and their families, the under-employed (part time workers), self-employed, everyone on public assistance, the rich, the poor, children on child support, everyone. America refuses to consider the concept of caring for the citizen on the street. They would much rather pour billions of dollars into a war in a foreign country which they acknowledge they cannot win.
God has made it abundantly clear that we are our brothers’ keeper, but I haven’t heard the Church pushing very hard to get universal health care in the US.
Go figure.

Matthew
 
Canadians pay higher taxes than Americans, but the provinces provide from that a comprehensive health insurance program to ALL citizens and landed immigrants. This covers the employed and their families, the under-employed (part time workers), self-employed, everyone on public assistance, the rich, the poor, children on child support, everyone. America refuses to consider the concept of caring for the citizen on the street. They would much rather pour billions of dollars into a war in a foreign country which they acknowledge they cannot win.
God has made it abundantly clear that we are our brothers’ keeper, but I haven’t heard the Church pushing very hard to get universal health care in the US.
Go figure.

Matthew
i might be cynical but i don’t trust our government’s competency enough to set up a universal health care system. i think that they would just make a mess of everything.
 
Hard exceptions make for bad law. As a believer in personal responsibility, I resent your use of the word “cult”. What I believe in is that we all have a responsibility as Christians to help. This help should come from the community, not the government.

IMO, it’s a moral cop-out to wash one’s hands and say ‘let the State/Ceaser do it’/
 
Nearly two thousand years ago, Juvenal asked, “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?” which can be translated as, “Who watches the watchmen?” or “Who will have custody of the custodians?” - (Juvenal, Satires, VI, 347)

James Madisom put it slightly differently: “If Man is not Fit to Govern Himself, How can He be Fit to Govern Someone Else?”

If we humans cannot be trusted to care for ourselves and our families, how can some **other **humans be trusted to care for the rest of us?
 
This post seems more like something from the an adherent of “cult of entitlement”. There is no such thing as the “cult of personal responsibility”. But there are several entitlement cults. They go by the names of Socialism, Communism, Nazism, Democrats (:p), and of course those who hold those signs proclaiming the big lie: “will work for food”.
 
Obviously there’s nothing wrong with promoting personal responsibility,but it needs to be the Christian kind,which is merciful,patient and forgiving,and does not incline to hard-heartedness.
We can’t wait for others to get their act together before we are willing to help them. Christians have their own personal responsibility to help those in need,even if we may think that they don’t deserve to be helped.
A parent should instill personal responsibility in his children,but
he doesn’t have the moral authority to lecture strangers who are in need,especially if he does not do his own personal responsibility by helping them in charity.

James 2,14:
If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food,and one of you says to them,“Go in peace;keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs,what is the good of that?
 
Something has to be done…

Ever take a good look at the packaging/labeling/instructions for ANY consumer item???

Blow Dryer… “Do not use while bathing…”
Razor Blades… “Caution, sharp metal…”
Pliers… “Caution, may cause pinching injury…”

The person to blame is the 1st Judge who granted compensation to an idiot! That opened the flood-gate.

Manufacturers have to spend THOUSANDS of dollars in legal fees and printing just to produce an instruction manual that states “Sticking this screwdriver in you eye may cause bodily harm”.

To quote my daughter “DUH!”… but somebody did it, sued the mfg. for making “too sharp of a screwdriver”, and some idiot Judge compensated a bigger idiot.

The welfare system needs an enema too. Welfare is a means to support someone that’s having a tough time… It’s NOT a LIFESTYLE!
 
My use of the word “cult” is quite apporiate. I freely admit that I have all the many things I do because of my parents. Because of their work I could live comfortably on the interest payments from my trust alone. Equally so I accept that many people do find themselves in conditions they did not create and are beyond their control. There is a difference between embracing personal responsiblity, which I do, and being a member of the cult of personal responsibilty. “Think rich-be rich” is fiction, the notion that everyone can help themselves if only they chose to is also fictional.
I tend to agree with the general idea behind the notion that we should not trust people who have a strong instinct to punish. The cult of personal responiblity has a strong tendency to advocate laws that make demands on people and then provides no assitance in helping them meet those demands. Here’s a thought, maybe instead of putting people that can’t pay child support in jail how about helping them get an education and job training so they can easily afford an amount that is economically helpful to the custodial parent and support themselves? Currently the federal government is spending 5 billion dollars a year to collect child support. The thing is the money that comes in doesn’t really require any effort, when people can afford it they’ll pay it. The vast majority of the spending is on misguided efforts to collect money from people that simply don’t have it. Spending 5billion on job training would seem a lot more effective than flyers on pizza boxes.
How about providing medical coverage so people can get preventive care, which is cheaper, than allowing them to develop serious medical conditions? Yet another area where the cult of personal responsiblity fails in its own goal of saving money. Filling a cavity is significantly cheaper than treating a patient with an absessed tooth.
In many ways it seems sad that in a soceity where so many have so much they are so unwilling to part with a little of it to help others. A condition which in the long run would improve the standard of living for all. Or perhaps someone can explain to me how it is Paris Hilton deserves to be rich and some struggling single parent deserves that lot.
 
Or perhaps someone can explain to me how it is Paris Hilton deserves to be rich and some struggling single parent deserves that lot.
Paris Hilton isn’t rich… her father is. He is rich because he took his father’s hard work and continued it.
She’s only made some cash by using her name/association for shock value. The problem is that she can draw from this wealth solely by being a pampered idiot.
 
“In many ways it seems sad that in a soceity where so many have so much they are so unwilling to part with a little of it to help others.”

I’m already paying a LOT in taxes while working hard for my money. I certainly don’t think that expecting the govt to pay for everything is a good use of my money, or anyone’s money, for that matter.
 
Paris Hilton isn’t rich… her father is. He is rich because he took his father’s hard work and continued it.
She’s only made some cash by using her name/association for shock value. The problem is that she can draw from this wealth solely by being a pampered idiot.
This is true of most of the nation’s rich. It’s certainly true of myself and all the latch key turned trust fund kids I grew up with. Contrary to the “think rich be rich” philosophy economic status more often than not is just luck of the draw. Until people come to terms with that there’s very little that can be done about providing better opportunity for those that aren’t lucky enough to have it handed to them.
 
A recent incident has got me thinking about the whole cult of personal responsiblity, especially as used to shirk social responsiblity. Here’s what happened:
My wife does charity work with a group that helps single parents out with food, clothes, and such. She knows several of the women that come in regularly. …Well the little girl fell off her bike and broke her arm, normal childhood injury. Well the co-pay on this insurance is over $800. Now the father can’t afford to pay, and the state says since he’s flipping for the medical insurance he doesn’t have to, it’s mom’s responsilbity. …
Did the little girls arm get the needed treatment? I assume she did because other US laws that apply to hospital regarding emergency room care. So I would guess the problem is the hospital is now trying to collect the money to cover the treatment they already provided. The family finds themselves in an even tighter financial situation, (which was already strained probably in part because the father and mother of the child aren’t married and living together–therefore they support two separate households.) In any case, the child’s comfort in life is dramatically affected by the choices her parents made–as is yours. You wrote:
… I freely admit that I have all the many things I do because of my parents. Because of their work I could live comfortably on the interest payments from my trust alone. Equally so I accept that many people do find themselves in conditions they did not create and are beyond their control…
You and the little girl seem to have much in common. Your comfort in life is largely determined by what your parents did. Your parents provided you with a trust but hers didn’t–so why not use some your money to help this little girl and her family with the $800 co-pay?

“Personal responsibility” gives us opportunities to also take personal responsibility for acts of charity. How is charity from the government, (which means tax payers pay for it under the threat of imprisonment) better than free will giving from your heart? Jesus said whatever we do for the least, we do for Him. Did He mean all we have to do is pay our taxes to a welfare state without complaining?

One of the problem I see government charity is that it often lacks true charity. People give because they are obliged to give by law. Tax laws could change and require you to pay $800 additional capital gains taxes on your trust fund, but instead lobbying for that and using the IRS as a middle man for charity, why don’t you make a donation to the family you see in need? If you* really* want to go through a middle man, you might be pay for the little girls care by making a donation of stock to the charitable organization where your wife volunteers, thus you’d get a tax deduction* and* a saving on capital gains taxes.😉 Or you could forego any tax deductions and just give them the money directly. 🙂
 
Let me offer a real world problem. These are people I’m working with.

Sally and Tom have three children. Tom is an over-the-road truck driver, and makes well above the median income. Sally is a Certified Nursing Assistant, and doesn’t make nearly as much, but together Sally and Tom are solidly middle class.

Bill is a convicted felon, just paroled from second term in prison to a supervised work-release program. Under the terms of his parole, he must live in a supervised group home and complete the work program. He cannot use drugs or alcohol, and is not allowed to drive a car or have a driver’s license.

Bill got disgusted and left the work-release program. He came to live with his mother (who is caring fon one of his children.) He met Sally, and she left Tom to live with Bill. The two of them decided to have a party, so they drove to a nearby county (alcohol cannot be sold in this county.) On the way home, they sampled their purchase. They hit a tree. Bill was driving, and both had blood-alcohol levels well above the legal limit.

Bill (who didn’t have a job) is now out on bail. Because of her injuries, Sally can’t work anymore.

How do we help these people?
 
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