The Cult of 'Santa' Muerte

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Im mexican american and the sad thing is a lot of my fellow mexicans do this sort of thing all the time. They like to mix their catholic beliefs with superstition. Most of the time people dont know they are doing wrong but once they are told they usually repent just like my aunt did. she went through the same thing.

God bless the Holy Roman Catholic Church!
 
La “Santa Muerte” is one of many folk saints found around Latin America and the world. One of our friends , told us that she has a friend who offers ramen noodles to a statue of la " Santa Muerte" everyday.Here where I live the cult to “la Snata Muerte” is not that popular among the Hispanic population. Here are some folk saints:
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“Saint Guinefort” was very popular in France even though he was dog.
http://guatemalafriends.org/tours/Images/maximon.jpg
Maximón from Honduras.
 
La “Santa Muerte” is one of many folk saints found around Latin America and the world. One of our friends , told us that she has a friend who offers ramen noodles to a statue of la " Santa Muerte" everyday.Here where I live the cult to “la Snata Muerte” is not that popular among the Hispanic population. Here are some folk saints:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hCB9QIXVSxg/SVpzN4z_xPI/AAAAAAAAAks/136edKLCJMA/s320/st_guinefort.jpg
“Saint Guinefort” was very popular in France even though he was dog.
http://guatemalafriends.org/tours/Images/maximon.jpg
Maximón from Honduras.
Unfortunately, down here in the hinterland, CatholicLife, it’s taken on an even more sinister meaning because it’s associated with the Mexican drug cartels.
 
Here’s my :twocents:

Where I live has a very large Latino population. There are maybe 3 Botanicas in the area. I asked dh (who is Latino) about them and about this Santa Muerte cult.

He said that it all comes down to a need for education, both secular and catechetical. Those practices and beliefs are very cultural. You don’t really see this where there is better education and opportunities.

It’s his opinion that the Church has taken the Latino members for granted. They have large families and the Church figures that they have ready-made members for the future so they don’t spend much on the way of catechesis. This is just his opinion. He got very little in the way of solid Church instruction when he was growing up. To combat this, the Church has to meet its members where they are and instruct them in a way that makes sense to them so they can understand the real beauty of the Church and not be distracted with some cultural superstition.
Sadly, I think your husband has a good point. 😦
 
Here’s my :twocents:

Where I live has a very large Latino population. There are maybe 3 Botanicas in the area. I asked dh (who is Latino) about them and about this Santa Muerte cult.

He said that it all comes down to a need for education, both secular and catechetical. Those practices and beliefs are very cultural. You don’t really see this where there is better education and opportunities.

It’s his opinion that the Church has taken the Latino members for granted. They have large families and the Church figures that they have ready-made members for the future so they don’t spend much on the way of catechesis. This is just his opinion. He got very little in the way of solid Church instruction when he was growing up. To combat this, the Church has to meet its members where they are and instruct them in a way that makes sense to them so they can understand the real beauty of the Church and not be distracted with some cultural superstition.
Thank you all you dear brothers and sisters who have responded. I picked this quote because it captured a common thread, the need for catechesis. People don’t turn to this hideous idolitry because they don’t know any better not because they know what the Cuurch believes and teaces but reject it. Have I got that right?
 
Thank you all you dear brothers and sisters who have responded. I picked this quote because it captured a common thread, the need for catechesis. People don’t turn to this hideous idolitry because they don’t know any better not because they know what the Cuurch believes and teaces but reject it. Have I got that right?
Joan, that argument does not necessarily apply to La Santa Muerte. Again, I am writing from the perspective of someone who has to see this every day. LSM has nothing to do with confusion about what the Church teaches. In our case, it is the chief “patron” of the Mexican drug cartels. In fact, in some of the raids that our local law enforcement agencies make on “drug safe houses”, that hideous image is often found in these places. The fact that the Nuevo Laredo bishop took a courageous stand and had these roadside “shrines” smashed is a strong indication that this has gone beyond the simplistic confusion that Beachcomber’s husband addressed. Down here on the border, this is seriously sad stuff.

Now, down here, there are “devotionals”, for lack of a better word, to La Mano de Gloria, Don Pedrito (an old faith healer) and El Nino Fidencio (who bears an eerire resemblance to Blessed Miguel Pro, but, believe, me, he is far from him). They sell candles bearing these images at the local grocery store. Thankfully, though, the mainstream retailers do not sell LSM.
 
Joan, that argument does not necessarily apply to La Santa Muerte. Again, I am writing from the perspective of someone who has to see this every day. LSM has nothing to do with confusion about what the Church teaches. In our case, it is the chief “patron” of the Mexican drug cartels. In fact, in some of the raids that our local law enforcement agencies make on “drug safe houses”, that hideous image is often found in these places. The fact that the Nuevo Laredo bishop took a courageous stand and had these roadside “shrines” smashed is a strong indication that this has gone beyond the simplistic confusion that Beachcomber’s husband addressed. Down here on the border, this is seriously sad stuff.

Now, down here, there are “devotionals”, for lack of a better word, to La Mano de Gloria, Don Pedrito (an old faith healer) and El Nino Fidencio (who bears an eerire resemblance to Blessed Miguel Pro, but, believe, me, he is far from him). They sell candles bearing these images at the local grocery store. Thankfully, though, the mainstream retailers do not sell LSM.
I wrote my last post in haste and apologize because my final sentence is so poor gramatically that it doesn’t make sense. I think you got it though.

In my opinion, this form of idolatry flourishes because poor and desperate people turn to it through ignorance.

In your view, this is not the case. Criminals know sufficiently the truths of the Church but willfuly chose LSM with full knowledge. Did I understand you right?
 
Now, down here, there are “devotionals”, for lack of a better word, to La Mano de Gloria, Don Pedrito (an old faith healer) and El Nino Fidencio (who bears an eerire resemblance to Blessed Miguel Pro, but, believe, me, he is far from him). They sell candles bearing these images at the local grocery store. Thankfully, though, the mainstream retailers do not sell LSM.
I, too, am thankful I can go to the local grocery store and not see that…thing…

I’m just up the river from you, Benedictgal, so I know what you mean. Coincidentally, we recently had an accident in town…very tragic…where a young man (illigal alien) who was being smuggled in to the US died when the coyote (smuggler) lost control of the wheel. The victim was found wearing a ?rosary? of skulls and the image of the SM. Of course, the online paper published the picture. Yuck.
:dts:
 
There’s a guy where I sometimes attend weekday Mass… “of a certain age” (e.g. not young). Before Mass walks up to the altar, genuflects (!) deeply to it, then walks right past the tabernacle with nary a nod, and then touches the toes of Jesus on a crucifix and genuflects deeply to it as well. Go figure.

And this is in Canada, and the guy is clearly French Canadian. Lord knows how it came to that, poor catechesis I guess.
I can’t speak to any particular individual allegedly favoring a statue over the presence of God in the tabernacle, but there’s nothing wrong and everything commendable with devotions to saints or to adoration of God through interacting physically and reverently with images of same.
 
I have heard of this cult before. From what I understand, it is related to drug gangs and cartels in Mexico.
 
La “Santa Muerte” is one of many folk saints found around Latin America and the world. One of our friends , told us that she has a friend who offers ramen noodles to a statue of la " Santa Muerte" everyday.Here where I live the cult to “la Snata Muerte” is not that popular among the Hispanic population. Here are some folk saints:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hCB9QIXVSxg/SVpzN4z_xPI/AAAAAAAAAks/136edKLCJMA/s320/st_guinefort.jpg
“Saint Guinefort” was very popular in France even though he was dog.
http://guatemalafriends.org/tours/Images/maximon.jpg
Maximón from Honduras.
Interesting. I did not know that anyone considered dogs to be saints. Also, who is this Maximon? Sorry, I didn’t know how to put the tilde or whatever that little comma shaped line is above the o. What is he famous for?
 
I live in Northwest Indiana, which is basically Chicagoland. In the grocery store one day I saw the prayer candle of “Santa Muerte.” I was creeped out by the picture and didn’t believe it was demonic, I gave the benefit of the doubt. Spanish is my second language so when I saw “Santa Muerte” I knew it can mean Holy Death, I didn’t think of “Saint” Death. From what I knew it could have been a prayer to the Angel of Death. I assumed it was a prayer for a Holy Death, which is dying in a state of grace. I think I read the prayer on the back and I don’t remember being called to its devotion, but I did not know it was demonic in nature. It was just creepy to look at.
 
A friend of mine who works in border patrol just emailed me today:
In light of the ICE Special Agent that was killed in Mexico yesterday, and the murder of another Christian Missionary in Mexico last week, I thought you would appreciate the attached articles and the link below. We are dealing with something that transcends money and drugs. There is a death cult that has taken hold in Mexico, and we’ve seen this before - in the 1910 Mexican Revolution…

The violence in Mexico seems to be escalating to points not seen since the Revolution of 1910. Things are going on in Mexico, and here along the Border that most United States Citizens don’t know about. I’m not sure our leaders fully understand what is going on and what could happen if things progress as they are.

I’ve seen ton of the Santa Muerte/Saint Death shrines at most raids we’ve done here in Nogales, Rio Rico and Tucson, Arizona.

I saw some thing in a history magazine last month that was interesting – I’d never heard about it before:

United States occupation of Veracruz (1914) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Veracruz

We’re 3 years from the 100 year anniversary - perhaps the U.S. Marines will visit again before then.

Please pass this on to all of your friends and family - it will make the news on Television/Internet/Facebook more understandable…

God Bless Us All,
He also attached this article and this on “Saint Death:” View attachment 9806

I don’t think it’s due solely to poor catechesis; it’s due to the reality of demons and despair.[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 17:17-20[/BIBLEDRB]
 
Right now I just finished watching the DVD on it. It’s quite an eye opener. It kind of reminds me of Maximon down in Guatemala. But the two have definte differences.

It’s kind of explanatory; this Saint Death is for people who the Church rejects: homosexuals, transvestites, gangsters, prisoners (but only about 20%), drug addicts, etc. These are people that have clung to the evil way of life. They got into their situations by following temptation. No surprise the saint looks like the Grim Reaper/Death with a scythe. I’m not really surprised by it, I just feel sad for the younger village kids who are born into it. Although the indiginious Mexicans say that it’s Holy, make the Sign of the Cross when they begin and end their prayers to her, and call her a saint, it’s not bound in Heaven. There was never a living Saint Death. They are praying to emptiness, and it’s only God’s mecy that is granting those favors they attribute to the saint. Evil steps into vacuums. And, although the village people claim it’s not satanic, it gets real, real close to it. Closer to it than to Holiness. But, understand that it shares a lot of imagery with El Dia De Los Muertes, “Day of the Dead”, The feast day is related to it. Also, the official statue was introduced to the public on midnight October 31st. It’s one of those blurs of religion -and folk tales -and pagan roots (the Aztec Death Goddess).

I honestly don’t think American Catholics understand it though. Those people live in a highly violent society, they will cling to anything resembling safety, The Mexicans infuse their Catholicism with a small trace of their pagan past. This is understandable though, for one, it’s only been less than 500 years, whereas european contries have been Catholic for a thousand or more years. And for two, Mexico is very remote compared to other Catholic countries. And being partially third world, communication is less than other developed countries. In short, they’ve had to manage on their own in some villages. I think Pope Benedict XVI see’s this. I’m glad he’s going to visit Mexico. It’s very important he shows his presence. The Mexican people need this. As it is, they feel like their government has let them down. They need something positive to embrace. The Pope’s visit will be spectacular.

As for Saint Death’s differences with Guatemala’s Maximon, who can creep out some people, like my Mom who saw him in person, the two are examples of local Catholic-pagan fusion. Saint Death has no past, a man showed up with a skeleton, dressed it with a wig and dress, and people slowly started to revere it. It spread by word of mouth. There is a prayer that resembles a litany, but they basically inserted the “Saint Death - - Pray for us.” into a litany for Mary. The rejects of the Faith have embraced Saint Death, Even the locals know she’s not in the same manner as a normal Catholic Saint. She’s an outsider, for outsiders.

Saint Maximon in Guatemala is a different story. He does have a long past, that stretches into Guatemala’s pagan roots. The story of his origin is very pagan. It involves villagers determined to make a wooden man that will chase away the evil spirits. So the villagers go out into the forest and talk to the trees. They ask the trees one by one, “Would you mind if we cut you down and made a wooden man to drive away evil spirits?” FInally they get a tree that says yes. So they make the wooden man, Maximon. But then, after the wooden man chases away the evil spirits, he starts to seduce and corrupt the young girls of the villages. So they have to keep him tied up, and I think, with his legs broken off, so the village women will be safe. So, they have him there with no legs on a bench, this wooden statue.

He’s kind of like a playboy man’s man, hard-drinker/smoker guy. The men pray to him. They set whiskey in front of him, pour it in his mouth, and put lit cigars in his mouth. He’s a friendly old good guy image, not anyone that a homosexual or transvestite would prayer to like Saint Death.
 
There’s a guy where I sometimes attend weekday Mass… “of a certain age” (e.g. not young). Before Mass walks up to the altar, genuflects (!) deeply to it, then walks right past the tabernacle with nary a nod, and then touches the toes of Jesus on a crucifix and genuflects deeply to it as well. Go figure.

And this is in Canada, and the guy is clearly French Canadian. Lord knows how it came to that, poor catechesis I guess.
Is the tabernacle not behind the altar? The fact that tabernacles get put in nutty places in some newer (or “renovated”) churches does not help the confusion of the situation.
 
I have been very concerned about this diabolical phenomenon for a while, and saw the Spanish-language documentary about it. In Mexican shops I have visited in the U.S., I often see the candles for sale - I refuse to shop in places that carry them, especially since they are sold right next to legitimate votive candles. Some places, I should note, do not sell these things.

It is nothing short of a hellish, pagan cult, made worse by the fact that it emerged out of a supposedly Catholic culture.

I think the more accurate translation is “Holy Death,” however. I wonder if the devotion emerged out of the practice of praying for a holy death, and then became anthropomorphized into the present-day cult. I overheard some workers in a store (Mexican-Americans) talk about getting drunk and carousing afterward on New Year’s Eve, and they gave each other high fives and said “Santa Muerte!” - at least that’s what I thought I heard at the time, and since them I am ever more convinced that I in fact did.

We should speak up whenever and wherever we see this. It is truly superstitious, and for two reasons:
  1. false idols do nothing for anybody
  2. those who go to “santa muerte” are often in objective mortal sin and know they can’t expect help from Our Lady and the saints since they refuse to practice the faith, and often are asking for assistance and protection in evil pursuits.
Is there any kind of group devoted to spreading awareness among Mexicans and Mexican-Americans about the evil of this cult from a Catholic point of view?
 
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