The "Curse of Ham" and its modern implications

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Does the " Curse of Ham" carry any penalty today?

Some scholars speculate that when Noah cursed Canaan, the result was a depraved sexual nature for his people.

Obviously, canaanite temple ritual was obscene and disgusting, but if we take this interpretation as correct then is the curse still in effect in some way?

If so, how? Thoughts?
 
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I have never seen the Noah movie so I wouldn’t know anything about what was mentioned, if anything.
 
I’ll make sure to avoid it.

I have heard things about it, but nothing good haha
 
If you are getting the impression that I believe Canaanite mythology, you are sorely mistaken.

However, the Canaanites and other cultures did engage in rituals surrounding temple prostitution and believed their deities procreated. A similar story would be the Enuma Elish, which essentially states that Marduk had to conquer the void (Tiamat) in order to bring order to the pre-existent chaos.

I was simply asking, considering the very strong condemnation of Canaanites in the Bible due to their depraved sexuality, that that could be the curse set upon Canaan and his descendants.
 
Wouldn’t paganism had originated before the Canaanites? Were the antediluvian peoples engaged in idol worship, as well?

These are mysterious texts, for sure. But what you are saying makes sense. Thanks for your replies!
 
The idea Ishmael was a chief of king of Egypt is rabbinical. We have no biblical proof Hagar was of Egyptian royalty.

We do know he is the father of the Arab nations.

Either way, the people were wicked. Would it be appropriate to say incest and other forms of depravity and the health outcomes associated with them is the remnant of the curse?
 
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No, absolutely not. The idea that the “Curse of Ham” continues has been used to justify all manner of evil. But it is just that - a justification for evil acts. There is no lingering impact of the “Curse” in any people today.
 
I am aware of the atrocities it’s misinterpretation has lead to. My question has nothing to do with slavery of African peoples or anything related, but as clearly stated the religous and health consequences.

Let’s try to not put words in one another’s mouth and to avoid unnecessary argument about something that isn’t relevant to the topic.
 
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Considering that the line of inheritance didn’t follow through Ham, but through Shem, I can’t see how we’d presume that the curse is inherited by the people of God.
 
I agree, but was the “curse” imputed? It was given by Noah, not by God.
 
Then you can explain what you mean by a continuing penalty from the curse of Ham, if you mean something other than what that term has meant for hundreds of years.
 
There is no “Curse of Ham.” There never was. There never will be.

God blessed Ham when he came out of the Ark (Genesis 9:1), and no one can curse what God has blessed (Numbers 23:8).

Ham had four sons:

Cush (ancient name for Ethiopia).
Phut (ancient name for Libya).
Mitzraim (still in the Hebrew Scriptures in the original Hebrew language as the name of Egypt).
Canaan.

Noah cursed Canaan. No one cursed Ham or his other three sons.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled question on the Canaanites.

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I’ve heard that proposal, that Ham “saw his father’s nakedness” in the sense of taking his father’s wife. Ancient potentates often did this when deposing the old king. (Examples: Absalom; Abner son of Ner; attempted by Adonijah). That would be why Noah cursed Canaan: Noah’s wife had a baby and it wasn’t Noah’s baby.

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I’ve heard atheists propose that the Scripture was being descriptive, not prescriptive. In other words, Noah was a mean drunk who cursed a little kid. Therefore, don’t get drunk; drunks abuse their families.

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Whether the curse on Canaan was a true exercise of power against him, or just a prophecy, it was fulfilled long ago. The Canaanites were exterminated long ago.

Most of them.

I’ve heard the version that Simon the Less was Simon the Canaanite. Some say it was a regional designation, not genealogical. More research is needed. But Christ blessed him (Luke 24:50). And no one can curse what God has blessed.

But I wish people would stop calling it the “Curse of Ham.” It’s not in there.
 
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