The Dalai Lama; One of the most evil men on Earth?

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Lilyflower said:
He is an advocate of peace. He enjoyed a special relationship with his late Holiness JP 2. I believe JP would not have entertained anything not of truth.

Buddhism is not to be feared. The end state according to Buddhism is enterely consistent with that taught by the Jesuits. Merton postulated that ultimately when our new life in eternity is done, all matter of spirit shall ultimately to and be re-united with The Spirit [which is God] and then God will be all in all with His creation. He postulated a great re-unification of spirit to the Spirit.

Merton’s postulated an end state is entirely consistent with Buddhism.

That apart, Zen is practiced the world over by Catholic clergy and religious. Our own parish priest in our Sacristy we have a picture of the Dalai Lama. Our PP in case you are wondering, is very very Catholic and dedicated to preaching the Gospel and celebrating the Sacrifice.

What JP was to Communist Russia, his Holiness will be to Communist China…watch this space!!!
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What in the world? :confused: Even if you admire the Dalai Lama, as I do, that is completely out of place.
 
Lilyflower said:
Pilar posted:

Its often been the experience of many Jews, historically, that when Christians or Muslims are nice to them, its with the hidden motive of seeking their conversion by doing so. Yet the Buddhists had no such motives.)

Amen 🙂
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Besides the fact that this is a gross generalization (I have many non-Catholic and non-Christian co-workers and friends without any “hidden motives.”), are you saying that you reject the call by the Church to evangelize? Is that something your PP teaches? Are you sure your parish isn’t Universalist?
 
AgnosTheist said:
Only the religious ones who have this motive.
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😉 Okay…my sentence wasn’t constructed properly. I am a “religious one” and my friendships and co-worker relationships are without “hidden motives.” I’ve had engaging conversations with my Muslim co-workers (one of the more devout ones was surprised that some Christians pray 5 times a day as well - Daily Office) and I’m quite close with a couple of Orthodox Jews who, for some reason, are less bothered by Christians who believe and practice their faith, including evangelization, than non-Orthodox Jews.
 
rlg94086 said:
😉 I am a “religious one” and my friendships and co-worker relationships are without “hidden motives.” I’ve had engaging conversations with my Muslim co-workers (one of the more devout ones was surprised that some Christians pray 5 times a day as well - Daily Office) and I’m quite close with a couple of Orthodox Jews who, for some reason, are less bothered by Christians who believe and practice their faith, including evangelization, than non-Orthodox Jews.
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You are a religious christian and you have no wish for your infidel friends to convert? :confused:
 
Tibetan monks are not evil and neither is their spiritual leader. however i have no hesitiation in saying that the government in beijing that demonizes them is most certainly evil.
 
AgnosTheist said:
You are a religious christian and you have no wish for your infidel friends to convert? :confused:
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Of course I pray for and desire their conversion, but that doesn’t mean my friendship is based on that desire. I will be friends with them (not all of them…some are more casual, business relationships) regardless of whether they convert, show any interest to convert, etc. Their conversion is not the basis of our relationship. Also, I don’t spend every waking moment prosletizing. Is that difficult to understand?
 
rlg94086 said:
Of course I pray for and desire their conversion, but that doesn’t mean my friendship is based on that desire. I will be friends with them (not all of them…some are more casual, business relationships) regardless of whether they convert, show any interest to convert, etc. Their conversion is not the basis of our relationship. Also, I don’t spend every waking moment prosletizing. Is that difficult to understand?
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well certainly not your ‘every waking moment’. but i’m sure that sometimes your desire to convert them encourages you to be extra friendly to them…looking for an opportunity to “share”.
 
AgnosTheist said:
well certainly not your ‘every waking moment’. but i’m sure that sometimes your desire to convert them encourages you to be extra friendly to them…looking for an opportunity to “share”.
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Not at all. I’m not an Amway salesman Christian. I live my life as a faithful Catholic and discuss religion when it does come up…and it usually does. I’m friendly to everyone, but I don’t become “extra friendly” in order to manipulate the person into a conversion. Quite frankly, it is rude for you to assume such a thing.
 
rlg94086 said:
Of course I pray for and desire their conversion, but that doesn’t mean my friendship is based on that desire. I will be friends with them (not all of them…some are more casual, business relationships) regardless of whether they convert, show any interest to convert, etc. Their conversion is not the basis of our relationship. Also, I don’t spend every waking moment prosletizing. Is that difficult to understand?
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you answered his charges very well. agnostheist has a very warped view of what motivates religious people, in my opinion.

i also think it’s important to share my religious convictions with others who show an interest. but i’m perfectly happy to be friends with people who follow another religion or no religion.
 
tomarin said:
you answered his charges very well. agnostheist has a very warped view of what motivates religious people, in my opinion.
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this is my warped view:

that truly religious people would try to follow jesus’ commandment to make diciples of all nations.

i suppose that view is obsolete. more and more christians are becoming like rlg94086, who leaves us infidels alone and befriends us without any strings attached. 👍 👍
 
AgnosTheist said:
this is my warped view:

that truly religious people would try to follow jesus’ commandment to make diciples of all nations.

i suppose that view is obsolete. more and more christians are becoming like rlg94086, who leaves us infidels alone and befriends us without any strings attached. 👍 👍
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Well, at least you reallize it is a warped view…because it is.

There is nothing contadictory between following “Jesus’ commandment to make disciples of all nations” and befriending someone without “strings attached.” You apparently believe Jesus’ commandment means that we should be aggressively trying to convert everyone at every moment. That is ridiculous.

I don’t avoid discussing my faith with “infidels” (your choice of words, not mine), and I will certainly encourage them to read the Bible, Catechism, Catholic tracts and/or come to Church with me if the opportunity naturally arises from conversation. Again, I don’t go into every relationship and conversation thinking “how can I convert this guy?”
 
rlg94086 said:
You apparently believe Jesus’ commandment means that we should be aggressively trying to convert everyone at every moment. That is ridiculous.
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i said ‘sometimes’, didnt i? you religious folks are human too, which means its natural for you to make friends with people even if they dont share your faith.
 
AgnosTheist said:
i said ‘sometimes’, didnt i? you religious folks are human too, which means its natural for you to make friends with people even if they dont share your faith.
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Yes, you said “sometimes your desire to convert them encourages you to be extra friendly to them…looking for an opportunity to ‘share’.” I replied “never,” and I have now explained how that answer does not conflict with Jesus’ commandment to make disciples of all nations.

I do that; I evangelize. I just don’t manipulate people by being “extra friendly” as you rudely assumed.
 
rlg94086 said:
Besides the fact that this is a gross generalization (I have many non-Catholic and non-Christian co-workers and friends without any “hidden motives.”), are you saying that you reject the call by the Church to evangelize? Is that something your PP teaches? Are you sure your parish isn’t Universalist?
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Please note that although my name is showing up with this posting as a quote - I did not actually say it - I quoted someone else who said it.

In quoting the previous reference I was commenting on the charity shown by the Buddhists in this example. Catholics are still the largest providers of humanitarian relief in the world - not much of a hidden agenda 🙂 !
 
Pilar said:
Please note that although my name is showing up with this posting as a quote - I did not actually say it - I quoted someone else who said it.

In quoting the previous reference I was commenting on the charity shown by the Buddhists in this example. Catholics are still the largest providers of humanitarian relief in the world - not much of a hidden agenda 🙂 !
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Do you have a source link that compares humanitarian relief between religions? I would be interested in seeing how various denominations contribute relative to their number of adherents.

Thanks.
 
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