The Dalai Lama; One of the most evil men on Earth?

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Fair enough.

Just want to digress for one moment.

Are you Christian and do you proclaim Jesus as Lord, our saviour and the son of God?
 
Thank You.

If they all (or many) choose to stay on the wheel to help others; aren’t they eventually going to run out of people? And where are the others who choose to not stay on the wheel after being enlightened?

If they’ve become enlightened to “full” understanding how can there be no elucidation of where and how this (place) or (nirvana) exists?

In addition… to come into full understanding and full experience - are you saying that they have full understanding and full experience in and of all things – good or evil (good or evil by its traditional definition) I suppose they must have? Do they then need to experience these things that traditionally we call evil like, murder, killing , raping and being raped, being aborted ,etc…. so as to come into full understanding?

I just want to close by asking … when someone says they’ve come into “full” enlightenment, “full” knowledge and understanding of all things…. having been through the experience of all things – Like the DL. Do you think they may look foolish when they proclaim all this, but then can’t answer certain (any or all) questions put to them?

I look forward to your replies to my Questions (I know your not an expert but do your best)

I’m glad we could leave off as friends. ( I hope you feel the same way)

Goodnight Coach
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God Bless you

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Thank You.

If they all (or many) choose to stay on the wheel to help others; aren’t they eventually going to run out of people? Hopefully! And where are the others who choose to no t stay on the wheel after being enlightened?Still dont know!

If they’ve become enlightened to “full” understanding how can there be no elucidation of where and how this (place) or (nirvana) exists?Being I am not Buddhist I dont know (though I do practice Zazen

In addition… to come into full understanding and full experience - are you saying that they have full understanding and full experience in of all things – good or evil (good or evil by its traditional definition) I suppose they must have? Dont know Do they then need to experience these things that traditionally we call evil like, murder, killing , raping a d being raped, being aborted ,etc…. so as to come into full understanding?
Thats like saying a doctor has to have cancer in order to understand and treat it

I just want to close buy asking … when someone says they’ve come into “full” enlightenment, “full” knowledge and understanding of all things…. having been through the experience of all things – Like the DL. Do you think they may look foolish when they proclaim all this, but then can’t answer certain (any or all) question put to them?Ask someone who has achieved enlightenment and let me know

I’ll look for your replies to my Questions (I know your not an expert but do your best)

I’m glad we could leave off as friends. ( I hope you feel the same way)Yes I do, and God bless you too.

Goodnight Coach
&
God Bless you
You may find this link interesting:

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Just to confuse the issue further, I would like to point out that the Dalai Lama does not claim to be the reincarnation of the previous Dalai Lama.

I found this passage from The Story of Tibet: Conversations with the Dalai Lama to be quite illuminating on the matter of his reincarnation. For those concerned about copyright, everything I post here is available for free on Google Books, and is accessible to anyone on the Internet (bold formatting was added by me).
Tibetans frequently remind the Dalai Lama of the strength of this link between them and the Dalai Lama. He says that often they tell him that they received precise instructions from the Dalai Lama in a dream. Bemused, he related one example in which “I told them to escape from Tibet on a certain day… or to go to such and such a place and do this or that… and they believed it, and did it, and all went well.”
The Dalai Lama has heard of such experiences so often that he is convinced that there is a connection between himself and ordinary Tibetans. He said that it exists “in a spiritual way” and that because of this “positive karmic connection, certain things happen. I myself also believe,” he said. “I have had certain proof.”
He hesitated, fearing that if he said more, it might sound as if he was proud of these incidents. However, there was no pride, only conviction, when he continued.
“If someone asks me whether I am the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama,” he said, “then I answer, without hesitation, yes. This does not mean I am the same being as the previous Dalai Lama. Some Dalai Lamas are a manifestation of Manjushri. Some are a manifestation of Chenrizi. Chenrizi is the manifestation of compassion. Manjushri is the manifestation of wisdom. I have a special connection with the Thirteenth Dalai Lama and the Fifth Dalai Lama. I have felt some kind of karmic relations or connections even with the Buddha. I feel I can say I have some kind of connection with the previous Dalai Lamas, some of the previous masters, with Chenrizi, even with the Buddha.”
“This English word connection you keep using,” I said. “It doesn’t give a true explanation of everything that you mean when you use it.”
“It has a number of meaning,” the Dalai Lama said. “It can mean that there was a personal connection; we might have been born in the same time during a past life; a teacher and a student; or a ruler and a subject or we might even have been spiritual friends. There could have been a personal life connection. Also, there can be other factors. In my own case, from my previous lives, there is some connection to virtues. So on the basis of these virtues, a connection is formed. From the devotion, faith, or belief in the Fifth Dalai Lama or some of these other masters, these connections can cause a birth or human life where the work of the Fifth Dalai Lama can be carried on. Though we may never have met, even in a prior life, never met personally, but spiritually because of strong faith, it is possible that you are carrying out his work.”
Pointing at himself, the Dalai Lama said, “This person’s connection with the Fifth Dalai Lama, this person now has the power or merit to carry out some work or duty in such and such a period. So all these forces are connected and then a birth is caused.”
**As I listened carefully to the Dalai Lama, an image took shape in my mind of how reincarnation shaped the history the Dalai Lama spoke of. I thought of different human “souls” as strands braided together, down through time, forming one rope. The lineage of fourteen Dalai Lamas has not been a reincarnation of one human soul. Several human souls have been the vessel for Chenrizi in their own time, and a few of these have reincarnated several times. At the same time, they all interact with one another, as humans, during different incarnations. This was completely different from the idea I had previously had that the Dalai Lama was the fourteenth reincarnation of a single human soul, who was also a manifestation of the compassion of the Buddha. **
“Is it possible,” I asked, “for the human being who is today Tensin Gyatso to have been reincarnated earlier? Not as the Dalai Lama, but as a person who was a friend of, or worked with, the Fifth Dalai Lama?”
“Yes, that is possible,” the Dalai Lama said. **“Yes. When someone asks me if I am the Dalai Lama, or the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama, then without hesitation I say yes. If they ask me if I am the reincarnation of the Thirteenth Dalai Lama, then I say I don’t know.” **
Surprised at the turn of the conversation, I carried on. “So the Thirteenth Dalai Lama as a human being is separate from the Thirteenth Dalai Lama as a manifestation of Chenrizi?”
 
“Yes,” he answered, “although there are a lot of interpretations of the word soul.” Buddhists do not believe in the existence of a “soul” that migrates from one body to the next. Reincarnation is more complex than that. When the Dalai Lama or I used that word, we both knew it had quotation marks around it. “Still, speaking simply, my soul may not be the same soul as the soul of the Thirteenth Dalai Lama.”
“But the Chenrizi in you,” I asked, “is the same Chenrizi that was in the Thirteenth Dalai Lama?”
“No, not Chenrizi,” he said, gently correcting me. “It’s some kind of special connection or special blessing from Chenrizi in the Thirteenth Dalai Lama. Or in my case, yes, perhaps a special blessing from Chenrizi. Whereas with the Thirteenth Dalai Lama, maybe he was a true reincarnation of Chenrizi. But these things are very mysterious.”
“Yes, mysterious,” I added, “but at a simple level there are two distinct things happening simultaneously. There is the Chenrizi connection, and there is a human connection. These two braiding together through time, going forward. It is difficult to understand.”
“Yes,” he said, nodding his head, “mysterious. But some people can understand this, if they have developed certain power of mind. It is very rare. But several masters have had visions that indicate I have some connection… I feel strongly that I have some connection–that word again–with the Buddha.”
His use of the word connection allowed me to make a leap that I had previously been unable to imagine.
“Do you mean,” I asked, “that perhaps you were an incarnated human being at the time of the Buddha?”
“Yes, that is possible,” the Dalai Lama said. “Sometimes I wish… and some of these masters, I don’t know. Maybe it is just wishful thinking.” I knew as he said this that he was turning away from a public discussion of ideas he preferred not to discuss. Buddhist texts specifically forbid a teacher, except under certain circumstances, from discussing his past incarnations if he is aware of them. “The practical thing is that, yes, I made some contribution to the Dharma. This simple little boy born in Amdo (a Tibetan province). Of course in the scientific way all of this is very mysterious, unproven. But at a spiritual level there must be some forces. So in a very remote area one child was found”–as he said this, he pointed a finger at his chest. “Then peculiar names also appeared in the vision lake–Lhamo Latso–and the exact shape of my house also appeared in the lake, to the regent himself,” he said as he described the visions seen by his regent in the sacred vision lake used to find him as a boy. He seemed bemused that these visions about his rebirth could have come to his regent but also convinced that they did. “So you see at the spiritual level there is a connection, a lot of connection, a lot of karmic forces or spiritual forces.”
My head was reeling. “This is vast and complex,” I said.
“Yes, very difficult,” the Dalai Lama said, “but I think from a Buddhist standpoint it’s very easy to understand. But you cannot realy p(name removed by moderator)oint it and say it is this, or it is that.”
“Of course none of this is scientific,” I said. I felt my Western beliefs rearing up in protest, as they would many times during our conversations. It’s a wonderful Buddhist explanation, but it’s not a scientific one.
The Dalai Lama smiled at me confidently. For a moment, he seemed to glance backward toward the rainbow from Chenrizi, and then beyond our moment in time, into the future.
“Yes,” he said, “up to now.”
 
Having been away from this thread for a while, I may have not read in detail all of the recent posts, but, one name keeps cropping up. If Icarus has done one good thing for the RCC, it is that it makes me wanna stand and defend the RCC against charlatans who profess to be “Good”. It takes more than just beleif in a chosen way to be classified as “good”. It takes humanity and understanding. I will stop short of getting personal, but I hope you folks know what Im getting at.👍
 
grandfather,

I am interested in your comments on the above posts. What do you think of the conversation about ‘righteous anger’? Are these posts righteous?

Here is a sutta about anger where the Buddha is asked a question and answers it.

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Anger is a human emotion. Emotions are not intrinsically bad or evil. Temperance is a virtue not an emotion. Virtues are always good. Anger can poison us. Prudence is another virtue. Prudence is the learned ability to come to a right decision promptly. That would include how to respond to circumsntances we face. Name calling in anger rarely if ever results in a good outcome.
 
It is obvious it isnt “righteous” anything, but pure hatred. The more I think about it, the more I feel the need to pray for that person, they are in the dark indeed.
That would always be a good thing to do. I don’t think you can make the judgement on another persons words that they are pure hatred. People respond to things with strong emotion or opinion. If some has a low opinion of the pope or the president or the dali lama and voices it that does not mean he hates the person.

If indeed the poster hates the dali lama, or anyone, and says he is a Christian, he is a failed Christian and disobeys the Lord who commands us to love one another, even our enemies.
 
What evil person did the Pope meet today ?
I wouldn’t know.

Jesus met lots of evil people and the self-righteous were scandalized by those he hung around. The pope is no diifferent. Does anyone think he only meets with saints?
 
I wouldn’t know.

Jesus met lots of evil people and the self-righteous were scandalized by those he hung around. The pope is no diifferent. Does anyone think he only meets with saints?
Why it that when someone ask’s direct Q on these forums …the reply includes everything, and the Kitchen sink!
Sometimes, somewhere in there is the Answer to the original Q (maybe)
 
Why it that when someone ask’s direct Q on these forums …the reply includes everything, and the Kitchen sink!
Sometimes, somewhere in there is the Answer to the original Q (maybe)
What is your answer? The OP says that the Dalai Lama is evil because he does not believe in God. I would quote the post but it is lost in the volume.
 
I wouldn’t know.

Jesus met lots of evil people and the self-righteous were scandalized by those he hung around. The pope is no diifferent. Does anyone think he only meets with saints?
He was very friendly with the Dalai Lama and there was no indication that he thought of him as an evil person. The Communists in China and Tibet are calling him an evil person, but I do not believe the Communists on this issue.
 
My only problem with the Dalai Lama is that he feels violence is NEVER a solution to ANY problem. That attitude worked for Gandhi against the more civilized British of 100 years ago, but it won’t work against ruthless Communist Chinese.

I watched a documentary about what the Chinese have done to the Tibetans over the last 40 years or so since they invaded and took over their country.

Among other things, the Communists forced Buddhist monks and nuns to fornicate with each other in the streets…and forced little children to shoot their own parents. As a Jew it reminds me of the Nazis forcing religious Jews to trample on and spit on the scrolls of the Torah before killing them, and Nazis using Jewish infants for target practice in front of their mothers.

I really don’t think a policy of total non-violence will work against these monsters.
 
What is your answer? The OP says that the Dalai Lama is evil because he does not believe in God. I would quote the post but it is lost in the volume.
I had a complete ( well almost) discourse with the coach.
Who was very polite in doing his best to answer and defend the DL and his (DL’s) beliefs
Go back a few pages… and soon after the Coach & I ended our little scrap and you’ll be able to see for yourself.

P.S

I don’t know if the DL is Evil.

But I do know that he (DL) knows of Jesus; and I’ve yet to hear the DL proclaim that Jesus is the son of God. That’s not going to happen of course…LOL

So……if the DL does not accept Jesus as the son of the one True God, having heard the truth proclaimed through Jesus’ words (HB) …well then…………???
 
My only problem with the Dalai Lama is that he feels violence is NEVER a solution to ANY problem. That attitude worked for Gandhi against the more civilized British of 100 years ago, but it won’t work against ruthless Communist Chinese.

I watched a documentary about what the Chinese have done to the Tibetans over the last 40 years or so since they invaded and took over their country.
I really don’t think a policy of total non-violence will work against these monsters…
Your religion is different from theirs. You have a different understanding of morality. If they are right (moral) you are wrong (immoral). If they are right all those who killed thousands of Jews and Buddhists will be born again a thousand times and suffer being killed. If they are right and you kill someone under moral circumstances defending another life then your karma will require experinecing the same thing. That assumes an objective morality. If what is right for Jews is right or true for Jews and what is right for Buddhist is right for Buddhists, and morality is relative, then what? They would say you will still have karma, as everyone does and be on the wheel of reincarnations, even though all religions are good, even the ones that teach killing is ok. Do you think that maybe Jews will have one life to live and Buddhists have thousands?
 
grandfather and all,

I am just going to pop in here and expand on the Buddhist belief about killing sentient beings. The key is intention. Do I intend to kill?

A cop shoots a bad guy with the intention of stopping this person from killing another. He acts without the intention of killing and without anger in his heart towards the bad guy. In this case the death of the bad guy is not a violation of the First Precept.

If the cop intentionally shoots to kill the bad guy, based on this intention and anger, the cop violates the First Precept.

I tend to dislike hypotheticals because how we respond to situations is always more complex than any hypothetical, but I think you get the drift.

Part of the Eightfold Path is Right Livelihood. Cops may be put in a situation where they have to shoot or perhaps kill someone, but this is very rare and is not the purpose of the police. Their purpose is to serve and protect, not to serve and act as executioner. Being a cop can be Right Livelihood.

The main purpose of being in the Army is to kill the enemy. The main purpose of Boot Camp is to take men and women who have been trained their whole lives not to kill and retrain them to make killing OK. Studies after the First World War showed that most soldiers never fired their weapon or fired it in the air. Boot Camp was revised after WWI to do a better job of retraining soldiers. It was revised again after WWII and again after Viet Nam. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is in part due to this clash of values between a life time of socialization that it is wrong to kill and the military boot camp making it right to kill. If you can find a copy of War by Gwynne Dyer in the library, you will find it fascinating reading about how the concept of war developed with civilization. It gives very specific examples of military training through the ages. I believe the book is now out of print.

Here is a Wiki on him.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwynne_Dyer

Most Buddhists traditions believe that being a soldier is Wrong Livelihood.

grandfather, I will respond to your other post in a little while. 🙂
 
My only problem with the Dalai Lama is that he feels violence is NEVER a solution to ANY problem. That attitude worked for Gandhi against the more civilized British of 100 years ago, but it won’t work against ruthless Communist Chinese.

I watched a documentary about what the Chinese have done to the Tibetans over the last 40 years or so since they invaded and took over their country.

Among other things, the Communists forced Buddhist monks and nuns to fornicate with each other in the streets…and forced little children to shoot their own parents. As a Jew it reminds me of the Nazis forcing religious Jews to trample on and spit on the scrolls of the Torah before killing them, and Nazis using Jewish infants for target practice in front of their mothers.

I really don’t think a policy of total non-violence will work against these monsters.
Yes. The irony here is that the Communists of China and Tibet are calling the Dalai Lama evil. Actually, he is not the evil one. The Communists of China and Tibet are the evil ones.
 
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