The "Dark" Bible Quotes

[The_Catholic]

I’ve been in heavy debate lately against feminists, so to speak, and I’m not too familiar with OldTestament Law. They bring up a lot and I was wondering if any could help. Here are some of the things they say for this part one of my thread:

"Virtually every human civilization in the Middle East, before and through
Biblical times, practiced some form of female goddess worship. Archeologists
have confirmed that the earliest law, government, medicine, agriculture,
architecture, metallurgy, wheeled vehicles, ceramics, textiles and written
language had initially developed in societies that worshiped the Goddess.
Later the goddesses became more war-like with the influence of the northern
invaders who slowly replaced the goddesses with their mountain male war
gods. So why doesn’t the Bible mention anything about the Goddess? In fact
it does, but in disguise from converting the name of the goddesses to
masculine terms. Many times “Gods” in the Bible refers to goddesses.
Ashtoreth, or Asherah, named of masculine gender, for example, actually
refers to Astarte- the Great Goddess. The Old Testament doesn’t even have a
word for Goddess. The goddesses, sometimes, refers to the Hebrew word
"Elohim" (masculine plural form) which later religionists mistranslated into
the singular “God.” The Bible authors converted the ancient goddess symbols
into icons of evil. As such, the snake, serpents, tree of knowledge, horns
(of the bull), became associated with Satan. The end result gave women the
status of inferiority, a result which we still see to this
day…

We have little reason to think that violence inspired by Bibles and other
religious texts will ever cease. One only has to look at the religious wars
around the world to see belief’s everlasting destructive potential. One only
has to look at the Protestant-Catholic uprising in Ireland, the conflicts in
the middle east with Jews fighting Moslems & Christians, the Gulf war,
Sudan’s civil war between Christians and Islamics, the Bosnia conflicts, and
the war in Iraq. The desperate acts of fanatical individuals who have killed
for their beliefs of Jesus, Mohammed, God or Satan would create a death list
unmatched by any other method in history. The “Holy” Bible supports the
notion of war and destruction, not only as a prophesy but as a moral
necessity. If we wish to become a peaceful species, it may well serve us to
understand the forces of belief that keep us in continual conflict and why
the Bible has such a stronghold on the minds of people around the
world…"

**The God of the Bible decrees that woman must submit to the dominance of man.

“The social and legal position of an Israelite wife was inferior to the
position a wife occupied in the great countries round about… all the texts
show that Israelites wanted mainly sons to perpetuate the family line and
fortune, and to preserve the ancestral inheritance… A husband could
divorce his wife; women on the other hand could not ask for divorce… the
wife called her husband Ba’al or master; she also called him adon or lord;
she addressed him, in fact, as a slave addressed his master or subject, his
king. The Decalogue includes a man’s wife among his possessions… all her
life she remains a minor. The wife does not inherit from her husband, nor
daughters from their father, except when there is no male heir. A vow made
by a girl or married woman needs, to be valid, the consent of the father or
husband and if this consent is withheld, the vow is null and void. A man had
a right to sell his daughter. Women were excluded from the succession.”

**

So to not get too overwhelmed I’m going to start a second part with their Bible verses they don’t like. But I am curious to what any might think of these words in bold print.

 

[survive]

I’ll respond to a few of these claims for now.
All early arts and skills developed in societies of many kinds, everywhere. What gods they worshipped has no correlation to craft development or to how women versus men are treated or valued. None.
Goddesses were definitely not “slowly replaced with male war gods” anywhere. The very earliest settlements with religious symbols show a focus on male imagery, with female imagery secondary – on every continent. There are no peoples in the archaeological findings so far who worshipped only peaceful goddesses. None.
Elohim is not necessarily feminine, mixed-gender or plural – it is also superlative, meaning “The Most Mighty” or “The Almighty”. These attempts to prove the Hebrew language secretly says things in contradiction to Judeo-Christian belief always forget one huge factor: Hebrew has never disappeared from knowledge. There have always been readers and translators of the Law and the Prophets, and the Histories and Poetry and of their interpretations over the millennia. Somehow the major scolars in Hebrew literature and Jewish or Christian writings aren’t flocking to the goddess-theorists’ book signings. They are flocking to traditional interpretations and practices.

 

[rpp]

Okay, so let me get this right. Thie Bible actually does refer to God as a woman. But only because when they use male pronouns for God, they actually meant female. So whe they said certain things were forbidden, does that really mean they were actually encouraged? For example, when it says in Exodus, “thou shalt not murder”, that really means that we shoudl murder?

Okay, I understabd, I think.

 

[Peter_Dawson]

Jim Walker’s The Dark Bible uses the brainless Fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible against the Bible. With well-turned phrases, he reads and analyzes the Bible like a simpleton. Again and again he quotes the hundreds of verses in the Bible which reflect and make use of the darkness of the human cultures out of which Judeo-Christianity grew, and after quoting them he, in effect, says, again and again and again and again and again and again, “DO YOU SEE WHAT IT SAYS???!!! IT SAYS BAD THINGS!!! BAD THINGS ARE BAD!!! SO, THE BIBLE AND JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY ARE BAD!!!”

That is about the depth of Mr. Walker’s analysis. Go to here…

ahmed-deedat.co.za/Books/DarkBible.pdf

…and you will see a good demonstration of this. That is a useful compilation of, and good representation of, Walker’s book by two Muslim apologists (who, of course, do not remind their readers of the smell of burning flesh coming out of the World Trade Center, and do not publish lists of Jewish children and babies annihilated by Muslim volunteers wrapped in dynamite).

Judeo-Christianity sprouted within the swill of human violence. Naturally, its pages reflect that violence. Its pages actually make use of that violence, to teach. And God operates within and through that violence, within the Bible’s pages.

God kills. He has a right to kill. Has Mr. Walker solved this problem, somehow? Does he have a way to stop sovereign God from killing? One of Mr. Walker’s bottom lines is, Cast aside Judeo-Christianity. For what? Walker doesn’t mention that no non-Judeo-Christian society except for bizarre short-lived experiments has ever risen above human sin, totally. Indeed, anti-religious structures such as Communism and Nazism and the totalitarian materialism of Japanese third of the Axis alliance were some of the greatest murder machines ever devised by the mind of man.

Mostly – and I say always – the Bible makes use of violence to teach us things about God, usually by what is known as typology. For example (out of hundreds of possible examples – my list goes on and on and on and on and on), in Genesis 3 God tells the Satan serpent that the offspring of the woman would “strike at your head, while you strike at his heel.” Is this God threatening violence against men? No. It is God predicting the sacrifice of His Own beloved Son – “striking at the head” refers to the cross piercing the dust at “Skull Place,” get it? And “while you strike at His heel” refers to the nails piercing God’s Son’s Own feet!!!

The murder by God of thousands of Egyptian firstborns isn’t really about the murder by God of thousands of Egyptian firstborns. See Exodus 12. It’s really a picture of the damnation of the evil – including the oppressive violent among us – at the end of time and the saved (symbolized by the Israelites) at the end of time shielded from God’s wrath by the blood-splattered Christ (symbolized by the doors of the Israelite homes splattered with the blood of the Paschal Lamb).

 

[CentralFLJames]

Jim Walker’s The Dark Bible uses the brainless Fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible against the Bible. With well-turned phrases, he reads and analyzes the Bible like a simpleton. Again and again he quotes the hundreds of verses in the Bible which reflect and make use of the darkness of the human cultures out of which Judeo-Christianity grew, and after quoting them he, in effect, says, again and again and again and again and again and again, “DO YOU SEE WHAT IT SAYS???!!! IT SAYS BAD THINGS!!! BAD THINGS ARE BAD!!! SO, THE BIBLE AND JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY ARE BAD!!!”

That is about the depth of Mr. Walker’s analysis. Go to here…

ahmed-deedat.co.za/Books/DarkBible.pdf

…and you will see a good demonstration of this. That is a useful compilation of, and good representation of, Walker’s book by two Muslim apologists (who, of course, do not remind their readers of the smell of burning flesh coming out of the World Trade Center, and do not publish lists of Jewish children and babies annihilated by Muslim volunteers wrapped in dynamite).

Judeo-Christianity sprouted within the swill of human violence. Naturally, its pages reflect that violence. Its pages actually make use of that violence, to teach. And God operates within and through that violence, within the Bible’s pages.

God kills. He has a right to kill. Has Mr. Walker solved this problem, somehow? Does he have a way to stop sovereign God from killing? One of Mr. Walker’s bottom lines is, Cast aside Judeo-Christianity. For what? Walker doesn’t mention that no non-Judeo-Christian society except for bizarre short-lived experiments has ever risen above human sin, totally. Indeed, anti-religious structures such as Communism and Nazism and the totalitarian materialism of Japanese third of the Axis alliance were some of the greatest murder machines ever devised by the mind of man.

Mostly – and I say always – the Bible makes use of violence to teach us things about God, usually by what is known as typology. For example (out of hundreds of possible examples – my list goes on and on and on and on and on), in Genesis 3 God tells the Satan serpent that the offspring of the woman would “strike at your head, while you strike at his heel.” Is this God threatening violence against men? No. It is God predicting the sacrifice of His Own beloved Son – “striking at the head” refers to the cross piercing the dust at “Skull Place,” get it? And “while you strike at His heel” refers to the nails piercing God’s Son’s Own feet!!!

The murder by God of thousands of Egyptian firstborns isn’t really about the murder by God of thousands of Egyptian firstborns. See Exodus 12. It’s really a picture of the damnation of the evil – including the oppressive violent among us – at the end of time and the saved (symbolized by the Israelites) at the end of time shielded from God’s wrath by the blood-splattered Christ (symbolized by the doors of the Israelite homes splattered with the blood of the Paschal Lamb).

Excellent Peter. You and I see the very same things. The whole entire OT is a metaphor for what God is going to do for His People. The promised land is of course heaven and the tree of life is the cross - with the salvific fruit of Christ hanging on it to eat and be healed of the poison of the tree of good and evil. It is also David’s key set on his descendants shoulder (Christ carrying it) and it is also the narrow gate/door by which we all must pass to enter into the promised land - the cross with beams being the door lentil on which is splashed with the blood of the pascal lamb - Christ crucified. Christ and Mary are the New Adam and new Eve by which God elevates humanity from fallen estate to divine-human nature. This is the new template for humanity that makes it possible for humanity to love God in a way worthy of God. In our elevated form we may be a same-nature relationship with God that He can accept and permit a true and authentic bi-directional love; a love that is not subordinated and limited to a mere benevolent sort of slave relationship as in Adam’s race. We so elevated are His children and have special rights and get a share through inheritance in His glory. We are redeemed out of the slavery of sin that bind the original race of Adam to mediocrity and death.

The dark minded people of the world are locked in their own ignorance and are to be pitied and prayed for since they do great harm to God’s children and will be severely chastised and made to live in the darkness that they try to profit from.

James

 

[CentralFLJames]

I’ve been in heavy debate lately against feminists, so to speak, and I’m not too familiar with OldTestament Law. They bring up a lot and I was wondering if any could help. Here are some of the things they say for this part one of my thread:
…

So to not get too overwhelmed I’m going to start a second part with their Bible verses they don’t like. But I am curious to what any might think of these words in bold print.

This is the same old ho-hum party-line that the feminists are using to try to re-invent humanity to make themselves not equal to men but the superior gender. It plays right into the Tom Brown " DaVinci Code" gnostic BS that wants to have us believe that males have tried to hold the feminine back from advancing to claim their rightful place as the higher ordered nature of the universe. Yeah, its all a big cover up…

These are all the arguments of whack-jobs and man-haters.

Why waste your time on such people?

James

 

[The_Catholic]

This is the same old ho-hum party-line that the feminists are using to try to re-invent humanity to make themselves not equal to men but the superior gender. It plays right into the Tom Brown " DaVinci Code" gnostic BS that wants to have us believe that males have tried to hold the feminine back from advancing to claim their rightful place as the higher ordered nature of the universe. Yeah, its all a big cover up…

These are all the arguments of whack-jobs and man-haters.

Why waste your time on such people?

James

Because it’s the firs ttime I’ve ever encountered them. In the past, I’ve never really paid any attention. Now I feel I must lear so I know what to say in future advance.