The dating of Daniel: Why is it controversial?

[Gorgias]

Fair. I’ll provide a better formulation: If the NT is superior to the OT, then Christianity would be superior to Judaism. That’s a claim that you explicitly rejected.

Right, because it’s an illogical claim. It is not the case that NT > OT ==> Christianity > Judaism. The implication that you’re setting up is the illogical part.

Back in the days of the OJ Simpson trial, a TV cartoon show lampooned the defense’s logic by having the defense lawyer argue that “if Chewbacca living on Endor does not make sense—and if even mentioning Chewbacca in the case does not make sense—then the jury must acquit.” Now, the premise may or may not be true, and the conclusion may or may not be true, but the premise doesn’t lead to the conclusion.

That’s what you’ve got going on here; your premise is irrelevant to the conclusion. So, I’m going to agree with you that there’s no “superiority” argument to be made here… but bringing in the relative merits of the Testaments doesn’t prove or disprove that assertion.

My comment was more to shut that door down before anyone could go through it, so to speak.

 

[jericho777]

Jesus calls him Daniel the prophet in Matthew and Mark indicating Daniel himself wrote it. End of argument. So I stick with Jesus.

 

[BartholomewB]

“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— (Matt 24:15)

In your view, @jericho777, is Jesus here referring to the destruction of the Temple by Titus’ legions in 70 as “the abomination of desolation”? Or if not that, what?

 

[jericho777]

qq

“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— (Matt 24:15)

In your view, @jericho777, is Jesus here referring to the destruction of the Temple by Titus’ legions in 70 as “the abomination of desolation”? Or if not that, what?

Not as the final abomination of desolation takes place mid tribulation which is spoken of in Revelation is relation to the Anti Christ. Remember there are some times in prophecy multiple fulfillments of the same prophecy as is Passover as they are dress rehearsals foreshadowing future events.

 

[Hunho]

Actually, it doesn’t really matter when the Book of Daniel was written, It was clearly accepted by the Jews as Scripture. Even more to the point, Jesus identified himself as the Son of Man from Daniel chapter 7
Dr. Brant Pitre, in The Case for Jesus (on page 115), says “… suffice it to say that since ancient times, interpreters have calculated Daniel’s prophetic dream as placing the coming of the Messiah sometime during the first century A.D.”
Again, Dr. Pitre notes “Jesus is treating the Son of Man in Daniel 7 and the Messiah in Daniel 9 as if they were the same person: the first prophecy describes the heavenly enthronement of the Messiah; the second describes the earthly suffering and death of the Messiah.”
Not only did Daniel’s dream place the coming of the Messiah in what we know as the first century A.D., it placed the destruction of the Temple and of Jerusalem in that same time.
No wonder some people would like to place Daniel’s writing at some time after the events predicted.