The days of socially acceptable Christianity are over

[Petersmate]

“The days of socially acceptable Christianity are over, the days of comfortable Catholicism are past,” began Prof. George. “It is no longer easy to be a faithful Christian, a good Catholic, an authentic witness to the truths of the Gospel. A price is demanded and must be paid,” he said.

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[Pancras]

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The subsequent 2 paragraphs are these:

Dr. George said it is specifically those who stand for sexual morality and the sanctity of life who are targeted, rather than those who merely profess Christianity.

“Of course, one can still safely identify oneself as a ‘Catholic,’ and even be seen going to Mass,” George said. “That is because the guardians of those norms of cultural orthodoxy that we have come to call ‘political correctness’ do not assume that identifying as ‘Catholic’ or going to Mass necessarily means that one actually believes what the Church teaches on issues such as marriage and sexual morality and the sanctity of human life.”

Please note, I am not saying that I agree with Dr. George, but only that it seems to me that some may well think he is saying the following:

Tell me if I’m incorrect, but it seems to me that Dr. George at least strongly implies here, that the reason one’s going to Mass regularly or openly confessing the Catholic Faith and proclaiming one’s self to be Catholic is only ‘tolerable’ at large, inasmuch as the current ‘political correctness guardians’ believe that such a one might well be among the majority – that is, those who do and say likewise, but who do not believe Church doctrine such as regarding the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman, the disordered reality of homosexual practice, and the prohibition against abortion, artificial contraception and ‘mercy killing’.
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[SecretCatholic]

I think its pretty accurate. Christians, and those who opposes the new social rules (pro-homosexuality, pro-promiscuity, pro-contraceptive, anti-religion, anti-God, etc.) are already facing great social and legal pressures. It’s amazing that we’ve gotten to the point where one is publicly shunned or worse for saying that homosexuality is wrong.

You’ve got to hand it to the gay activists. They’ve worked for decades to infiltrate and influence political and social power to get us to this point. They’ve been very successful. And most of the public doesn’t even realize they’ve been manipulated! It only gets more repressive from here on out if the people don’t open their eyes.

On the other hand, we are now being “weeded out” and only the more genuine Christians will remain within our ranks as time wears on.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

You’ve got to hand it to the gay activists. They’ve worked for decades to infiltrate and influence political and social power to get us to this point. They’ve been very successful. And most of the public doesn’t even realize they’ve been manipulated! It only gets more repressive from here on out if the people don’t open their eyes.

Repressive? One would think their influence is actually karma from the years Christians have kept hammering them back in to the closet.

 

[Neofight]

Christ told us over and over, in the Gospels, that we would be persecuted for following him. If we accept any less, we are only dreaming.

Do you really care that the world accepts you?

I don’t!

I care more that Jesus says to the Father, he knows me, and that I enter the Kingdom of Heaven through him.

Peace and all Good!

 

[irishpatrick]

Christ told us over and over, in the Gospels, that we would be persecuted for following him. If we accept any less, we are only dreaming.

Do you really care that the world accepts you?

I don’t!

I care more that Jesus says to the Father, he knows me, and that I enter the Kingdom of Heaven through him.

Peace and all Good!

Exactly! Anyone who knows their faith understands that the world hated Jesus before they hated His followers (us), which means the world has hated His followers (us) for two millennium. No surprise in any of this…it is a sad reality, yet not the least surprising.

 

[RosaryMama]

Amen!

 

[UserNotFound]

I kinda agree.

The same thing goes for a Catholic in the south, in “the Bible belt”. There are so many Protestants who are wary of Catholicism. Many are nice about it, and ask questions politely. But there sometimes seems to be a small level of…disdain, maybe, from people.

People don’t really know what we truly believe. They think we worship Mary and the saints.

The hardest part is being persecuted, however indirectly, by my college professors. Thankfully, there has been support from a student or two when a professor says something that is incorrect or uninformed.

But most professors are pretty respectful.

 

[JM3]

You’ve got to hand it to the gay activists. They’ve worked for decades to infiltrate and influence political and social power to get us to this point. They’ve been very successful.

“Whoso turns his attention to the bitter strifes of these days and seeks a reason for the troubles that vex public and private life must come to the conclusion that a fruitful cause of the evils which now afflict, as well as those which threaten us, lies in this: that false conclusions concerning divine and human things, which originated in the schools of philosophy, have now crept into all the orders of the State, and have been accepted by the common consent of the masses.”

Pope Leo XIII - (1879)

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_04081879_aeterni-patris_en.html

 

[Petersmate]

I think its pretty accurate. Christians, and those who opposes the new social rules (pro-homosexuality, pro-promiscuity, pro-contraceptive, anti-religion, anti-God, etc.) are already facing great social and legal pressures. It’s amazing that we’ve gotten to the point where one is publicly shunned or worse for saying that homosexuality is wrong.

You’ve got to hand it to the gay activists. They’ve worked for decades to infiltrate and influence political and social power to get us to this point. They’ve been very successful. And most of the public doesn’t even realize they’ve been manipulated! It only gets more repressive from here on out if the people don’t open their eyes.

On the other hand, we are now being “weeded out” and only the more genuine Christians will remain within our ranks as time wears on.

But will they be successful…

Dear gay rights militants, dear progressive tyrants, dear liberal fascists, dear haters of free speech, dear crusaders for ideological conformity, dear left wing bullies:

You will lose.

I know you’ve got legions of sycophants kowtowing to you these days, and the rest you’ve set out to destroy — but you will lose.

So, you’ve tracked another dissident and skinned him alive. You’ve made an example of Brendan Eich, and now you dance joyously around his disemboweled carcass. You have his head on a spike, and you consider this a conquest in your eternal crusade to eradicate diversity and punish differing opinions. You launched your millionth campaign of intimidation, and now another good man has been dragged through the mud, to the sounds of taunting and jeering and death threats.

You found out that the CEO of Mozilla gave a few dollars to support a pro-traditional marriage ballot measure several years ago, and you proceeded to publicly tar and feather him until he was forced to ‘resign’ in disgrace.

You again chose to forgo debate, in favor of coercion and bullying.

You again attempted to end the ‘gay rights’ argument by defrocking your opponent.

Hey, good for you.

Enjoy the spoils of your cowardice.

It won’t last.

You will still lose.

Don’t you people read? Haven’t you learned anything from history? ‘Advancements’ earned through tyranny never endure. You can only win a debate by suffocating your opposition for so long. Your strategy is doomed for failure, because it has always failed.

In the name of ‘fighting for the freedom to love,’ you’ve utilized hate. For the sake of ‘tolerance,’ you’ve wielded bigotry. In order to push ‘diversity,’ you’ve been dogmatic.

You are everything you accuse your opponents of being, and you stand for all the evil things that you claim they champion.

You are exposed. We see you for what you are: a force of destruction and division.

You showed your hand, and now you’ll lose the game.

It’s inevitable.

Marriage has, had, and always will have, by definition, a certain character and purpose; a character and purpose centered around, above all things, the family. Marriage is the foundation through which a thriving and lasting civilization sees to the propagation of itself. Human beings can only reproduce by means of ‘heterosexuality,’ and this reality sets the ‘heterosexual’ union apart. Marriage is meant to be the context in which this reproduction occurs.

Marriage is many things, but it is also this. And ‘this’ can never be removed from it, no matter the direction of the political winds, or the motion of the shifting sands of public opinion.

Marriage and the family are dimensions of the same whole. They cannot be detached from one another. They, as a whole, as an institution, can only be weakened — not erased or redefined. And so the campaign to protect and strengthen the institution was and is designed to do just that. It was never about ‘legislating love’ or imposing intolerance or ‘discriminating against gay people,’ or any other silly bumper sticker platitude.

You want to be free to love? You are. You always have been.

Heterosexuals don’t claim to monopolize love; only reproduction. Me, I love in many ways and in many directions. I love my wife, yes, and I also love my parents, and my country, and football, and hamburgers. These are all different kinds and degrees of love, yet still love.

But, alas, only one of these loves can (or should) result in the creation of a biological family. Thus, this love carries with it a certain distinction and a certain responsibility.

Bigotry? There is nothing bigoted about it. This is mere science. You see, bigotry only enters into the conversation when you try to destroy a man’s life just for participating in the conversation.

You are the agents of bigotry, my friends. You. You are what you say we are.

I don’t know much about Brendan Eich, and neither do you. I know that he is a revolutionary mind in his field and he became the CEO of Mozilla because of his professional merits. That’s all the information I would have ever seen as relevant or important. But none of that matters to you. You decided to cast all of that aside because you took a peek at the names of Prop 8 donors — names that were only publicized in order to punish and shame those who supported the measure — and determined that everyone listed must be punished.

You fancy yourselves the ideological descendants of civil rights pioneers, but these tactics put you in the same vein as book burners and Puritan witch hunters. When your story is ultimately told, it’ll read more like The Crucible than the Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr.

And that’s why you’ll lose.

You might have fooled society forever …

Read more at themattwalshblog.com/2014/04/05/hey-gay-rights-militants-your-fascism-is-showing/#dYeGei6k2VlVy07E.99

 

[millstreet]

I actually think the “backlash” has the potential to bring more people back to the Church than get them to leave it. When you grow up Catholic, as we all know, you may walk away from practicing your faith but you rarely lose it as part of your identity. When someone attacks part of your identity, the natural reaction is to defend it, and to defend it properly, you have to go and learn something about it. Maybe, in a funny way, it’s exactly what the Church needs.

 

[kristos]

Repressive? One would think their influence is actually karma from the years Christians have kept hammering them back in to the closet.

They’ve become what they hated: intolerant and repressive. They don’t allow one tiny discordant voice in the pro-gay choir.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

They’ve become what they hated: intolerant and repressive. They don’t allow one tiny discordant voice in the pro-gay choir.

Exactly. Which is why the cycle is laughably self-sustaining.

 

[BobCatholic]

“Tolerance is an attitude of reasoned patience toward evil… a forbearance that restrains us from showing anger or inflicting punishment. Tolerance applies only to persons… never to truth.”
―Fulton J. Sheen

 

[laircy]

I actually think the “backlash” has the potential to bring more people back to the Church than get them to leave it. When you grow up Catholic, as we all know, you may walk away from practicing your faith but you rarely lose it as part of your identity. When someone attacks part of your identity, the natural reaction is to defend it, and to defend it properly, you have to go and learn something about it. Maybe, in a funny way, it’s exactly what the Church needs.

that is how I came to love the Church.

 

[frobert]

I think its pretty accurate. Christians, and those who opposes the new social rules (pro-homosexuality, pro-promiscuity, pro-contraceptive, anti-religion, anti-God, etc.) are already facing great social and legal pressures. It’s amazing that we’ve gotten to the point where one is publicly shunned or worse for saying that homosexuality is wrong…

Do you have any evidence that homosexuals are pro-promiscuity or pro-contraceptive or anti-religion or anti-God? Most of my gay friends are not right wing but still quite conservative.

You’ve got to hand it to the gay activists. They’ve worked for decades to infiltrate and influence political and social power to get us to this point. They’ve been very successful. And most of the public doesn’t even realize they’ve been manipulated! It only gets more repressive from here on out if the people don’t open their eyes.

Gays became activists when denied civil rights. I think that when gays became activists average people, Christians among them, came to realize that they had gay relatives and friends who deserved better.

On the other hand, we are now being “weeded out” and only the more genuine Christians will remain within our ranks as time wears on.

Your last sentence appears to be implying an us (Christians) against them gays is the new social order.

 

[millstreet]

frobert, gays define themselves by the fact that they prefer to have sex with the same gender. you can cast it as “we love the same gender” but it’s called “sexual orientation” for a reason (we love lots of people we don’t have sex with). i would argue that when asked to describe yourself, the first thing you say indicates which gender you prefer to sleep with, that means that sex holds a higher place on your priority list than maybe it should. how can you put god first in your life if you are preoccupied with your desire to have sex with a certain group of people? you can say it’s not just about sex, but the reality is that no one cares if you have a roommate and are lifelong friends with another guy, it’s about not wanting to hear or see your sex life. the same applies to heterosexuals and there is too much out there as well, but at least no one’s trying to stuff it down your throat and tell you that you’re a bigot if you don’t want to see it.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Your last sentence appears to be implying an us (Christians) against them gays is the new social order.

Ironically, maybe that’s what they’re subconsciously trying to uphold: some obscure idea of order based on sides always having to be at war with another. Thus, this ensures plenty of injustice is produced by both to keep itself sustained. Meanwhile the people who make money out of the propaganda and the publicity get their usual cheques and are laughing all the way to the bank.

Ah culture wars. You’re like real ones with just less blood and body count.

i would argue that when asked to describe yourself, the first thing you say indicates which gender you prefer to sleep with, that means that sex holds a higher place on your priority list than maybe it should.

Uh, not sure I follow you here but not all gays I meet talk about their sex life. Most often I could just tell by the way they talk about something ‘faaaaaabulous’.

 

[frobert]

frobert, gays define themselves by the fact that they prefer to have sex with the same gender. you can cast it as “we love the same gender” but it’s called “sexual orientation” for a reason (we love lots of people we don’t have sex with). i would argue that when asked to describe yourself, the first thing you say indicates which gender you prefer to sleep with, that means that sex holds a higher place on your priority list than maybe it should. how can you put god first in your life if you are preoccupied with your desire to have sex with a certain group of people? you can say it’s not just about sex, but the reality is that no one cares if you have a roommate and are lifelong friends with another guy, it’s about not wanting to hear or see your sex life. the same applies to heterosexuals and there is too much out there as well, but at least no one’s trying to stuff it down your throat and tell you that you’re a bigot if you don’t want to see it.

My sexuality is part of me but doesn’t define me, nor is it something that I am ashamed of or do I hide. There are so many things that I can think of to describe myself that sexual preferences fall to the bottom of the list. I have no interest in someone else’s sexual fantasies and doubt if any of my friends have any interest in mine. Dwelling on sexual desires and treating others as sexual objects are things that adolescents do. I do agree with you that some people, gays and straights never grow up.

Perhaps its a romantic attitude but the first thing that comes to my mind when describing myself is that I am a lover of history especially the 40s and 50s. That period appeals to me because it was a time when people, in general, put much more emphasis on friendships than on things.

 

[Brendan_64]

Christ told us over and over, in the Gospels, that we would be persecuted for following him. If we accept any less, we are only dreaming.

Do you really care that the world accepts you?

When the world around us doesn’t have a problem with us and accepts us, that we really have a problem. And it’s not just outside the Church, but inside that we need to worry about. there are forces at work within our Church that are attempting to make us more acceptable to the world outside by attempting to mould our image to the values of the outside world.

Being openly Christian (of any denomination) in the UK will certainly disadvantage you, and will attract hostility. And supporting Christian values will now bring you into direct conflict with the law. And things are going to get a whole lot worse.

I think a very serious issue we now face (in the UK anyway) is serious conflict within our own Church as there are movements attempting to push us towards embracing secular values (equivalence of homosexual and heterosexual relations, contraception, sex outside marriage, etc.) and these movements are (in my opinion) gaining the tolerance of (and even the encouragement) some members of our Church hierarchy. Personally I really do see the Church in the UK heading towards serious division (possibly even schism) with a more ‘liberal’ wing embracing popular secular values, which will gain it support within the media and secular society in general, resulting in further alienation of those Catholics who embrace traditional Catholic values.

The UK is further down this line than the USA where Christianity is still seen as a force for good and widely accepted by the majority. But if you want to see where the USA is headed in the near future, just have a look at the UK and Europe.

Things are going to get a whole lot worse for all of us. We all need to stand up, be counted, and remain firm, regardless of the consequences to ourselves and our families for doing so.