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I’m hoping someone can answer this question for me. I’ve always had a silly faith (I say silly, as I’ve had nothing to back up this belief) that when people die and go to Heaven, not only can they hear us, but they can see us, as well. These people can be friends, loved ones, etc. As to how they can hear us, or how they can see us (if they can be invisible, standing near us, or having sort of an ‘overhead view’), I have no idea.

Anyways, in looking into Catholicism, I realize that Saints are prayed to (in addition to Mary, etc). I understand they are not worshipped (as many non-Catholics tend to believe). My question is, however, how do we know the dead (including Saints) can hear us? Is there scripture somewhere which suggests that those who have left this Earth, are still connected to the happenings down here, either visually or audibly?
 
Hebrews 12:1 says “Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,”

Rom. 8:38-39 “Neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord"

Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne; 10 they cried out with a loud voice, “**O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?” **11 Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.

Mt 18:10 "See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.

Lu 15:7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents (how did they know the sinner repented?) than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

Tobit 12:14 So now God sent me to heal you and your daughter-in-law Sarah. 15 I** am Raphael, one of the seven holy angels who present the prayers of the saints and enter into the presence of the glory of the Holy One**."

2Maccabees 15: 11 He (Judas Maccabee) armed each of them not so much with confidence in shields and spears as with the inspiration of brave words, and he cheered them all by relating a dream, a sort of vision, which was worthy of belief. 12 What he saw was this: Onias, who had been high priest, a noble and good man, of modest bearing and gentle manner, one who spoke fittingly and had been trained from childhood in all that belongs to excellence, was praying with outstretched hands for the whole body of the Jews. 13 Then likewise a man appeared, distinguished by his gray hair and dignity, and of marvelous majesty and authority. 14 And Onias spoke, saying, "This is a man who loves the brethren and prays much for the people and the holy city, Jeremiah, the prophet of God." 15 Jeremiah stretched out his right hand and gave to Judas a golden sword, and as he gave it he addressed him thus: 16 “Take this holy sword, a gift from God, with which you will strike down your adversaries.”

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with** golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;**

Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; 4 and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.
 
Hi Jasphair,

Reading all those Scripture quotes will no doubt do you a world of good. But to answer your question, departed ones who are with God are in constant contemplation of his divine nature and his infinite knowledge. They see everything in Him; that is how they (and the saints) can know about our prayers and our thoughts about them.

How all this works is something we will probably know in the next life but not in this one.

Does this answer your question?

Verbum
 
Hi Jasphair,

Reading all those Scripture quotes will no doubt do you a world of good. But to answer your question, departed ones who are with God are in constant contemplation of his divine nature and his infinite knowledge. They see everything in Him; that is how they (and the saints) can know about our prayers and our thoughts about them.

How all this works is something we will probably know in the next life but not in this one.

Does this answer your question?

Verbum
Hi Verbum,

So because God is all knowing and everywhere, when you go to Heaven, He automatically gives you the same knowledge and power (to be everywhere) as He has? How do we know this? I’ve always believed that when you go to Heaven, you can ask God any question, and He’ll answer (and it’ll make sense). I didn’t think He’d give you a brain dump upon entering Heaven, however, gaining absolute knowledge in everything…
 
Hi Jasphair,

God is infinite and we are so finite. As St. Thomas Aquinas says, not even Christ, in his human nature, could comprehend God. So no, no “brain dump”.

However, it is of faith that heaven is the contemplation of God’s nature in a limited way that may be different for each one of us. In heaven this is what we do; that is what our mind is busy with, and the knowledge that we have of things on earth is obtained through that contemplation.

In heaven, there is no frustration. When I used to ask my mother if we would get ice cream in heaven, she answered, “If you want some, you will get it.” That was an excellent answer. The only question is : will you want some?

So, if you wish to know something, God will let you know it. But certainly your understanding of what is important to know will have changed radically.

Am I getting better?

Verbum
 
Hi Jasphair,

Reading all those Scripture quotes will no doubt do you a world of good. But to answer your question, departed ones who are with God are in constant contemplation of his divine nature and his infinite knowledge. **They see everything in Him; that is how they (and the saints) can know about our prayers and our thoughts about them. **

How all this works is something we will probably know in the next life but not in this one.

Does this answer your question?

Verbum
Jasphair…here are two bible verses to backup what Verbum says…which “hit the nail on the head”
1 Thessalonians 5: 9-10 (New International Version)
9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together** with him.
In every Monday’s Liturgy of the Hours Night Prayer…this is the scripture reading and meditation. I can’t believe how many times I prayed/meditated on this before the Holy Spirit could break through my dense brain (really hardness of heart) to see more clearly what Saint Paul is saying and conveying under the inspiration of that same Holy Spirit.Awake (us here)…Asleep (the deceased…passed on to the next life)…**Live **(no one is really dead)…Together (we really are…all of us…together all the time…With Him…in Christ’s one Body…whether we are here or passed away from this form of life).
So. as Verbum says…they see us in Christ…they hear us in Christ and they know/understand us in Christ…to include all of our trials, tribulations, successes and failures in Christ (only caveat: I believe that all of this is happening in some mysterious way…that does not violate our own personal intimacy and confidentiality with Christ).

When you think about your question…1Thes 5:9-10…gives a profound answer to all of us…each and everyone of us…still living in this form of life…how we are/should be seeing…hearing…knowing/understanding…and treating each and every other human being on planet Earth…because even in this form of life…we are together in Christ!

Pax Christi
 
I’m hoping someone can answer this question for me. I’ve always had a silly faith (I say silly, as I’ve had nothing to back up this belief) that when people die and go to Heaven, not only can they hear us, but they can see us, as well. These people can be friends, loved ones, etc. As to how they can hear us, or how they can see us (if they can be invisible, standing near us, or having sort of an ‘overhead view’), I have no idea.

Anyways, in looking into Catholicism, I realize that Saints are prayed to (in addition to Mary, etc). I understand they are not worshipped (as many non-Catholics tend to believe). My question is, however, how do we know the dead (including Saints) can hear us? Is there scripture somewhere which suggests that those who have left this Earth, are still connected to the happenings down here, either visually or audibly?
They “hear” and “see” what God allows them to “hear” or “see”.
 
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