The Death of Pretty (an article on how many women want to be seen now)

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I totally agree with this article, and would like to add that this is happening in all the countries of the world.
In my country, Lebanon, this is more than true as well.
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Blame it on the Feminists and their “Sexual Revolution” :rolleyes:

Personally Id rather settle down with a more sweet, wholesome, girl rather than “some hot young thing”. Often times the latter are flashes in the pan and fade rather quickly whilst true beauty lasts forever. :cool:
 
I much prefer pretty. I find pretty to be much more attractive than ‘hot’.
 
I too prefer “pretty” to “hot”. Several decades ago, “pretty” was an issue. Now it is not. It seems that almost nobody wants to be pretty (including whatever a non-effeminate masculine equivalent of that would be). Attractive is also understood generally in very physiological sexual terms and associated with revealing, as in showing skin or at best clingy. Long gone (perhaps with suits and ties and nice sweaters) are skirts, blouses and locks, forget ribbons or flowers. Enter skinny jeans, clingy tops with deep cleavage, a haircut that expresses some level of angst or rebellion or whatever else it is supposed to say, where often the whole outfit resembles pajamas or something one could get out of bed (or gym) in.

However, I have noticed that at least flowers seem to be returning somewhat, as well as nice sweaters and a couple of other pretty attire or accessories. From time to time, I do see a nice ladies haircut, even a flower somewhere around the collar or the headpiece. Or something the mother or grandmother wouldn’t mind wearing. And that’s good.

As for “hot”, well… if it’s tasteful, inoffensive and still socially acceptable then I may appreciate it but I’d still prefer just “pretty”, without the specific kind of edge to which “hot” refers.

When “hot” essentially comes down to flashing skin or invoking sexual associations, it won’t work on me. In fact, it would be very hard for someone dressing and especially behaving that way to get me interested.

Besides, I believe that flashing people with sexual associations which they do not wish to have, basically attempting to cause them to have such associations and/or become aroused when they don’t want it, is akin to pornography (e.g. in the sense of seeing a kinky magazine cover you don’t want to see) or sexual assault (attempting to cause people to be aroused against their will is sexual assault as far as I go, even though no court would agree).
 
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I think a lady can be pretty and hot at the same time. My husband thinks I’m both, and I see nothing wrong with that. People on here freak out at the word “hot” sometimes because it can have a sexy connotation to it, which again, I see nothing wrong with that either. (unless there’s something wrong with being sexually attracted to someone, which there absolutely is not)

On a different note, this article really emphasizes women’s “innocence.” Should men emphasize their innocence as well?? Any thoughts?
 
Blame it on the Feminists and their “Sexual Revolution” :rolleyes:

Personally Id rather settle down with a more sweet, wholesome, girl rather than “some hot young thing”. Often times the latter are flashes in the pan and fade rather quickly whilst true beauty lasts forever. :cool:
… A lady can be young and have a great body and still be a sweet, wholesome person. This judgement/focus on appearance is pretty unfair and very shallow.
 
I’d also like to add that I think Taylor Swift, Megan Fox, Lindsay Lohan, and Miley Cyrus are ALL very beautiful women in their own unique, God given right.
 
I think everyone should emphasize their innocence to an extent, not just women.There is rightly a difference in being sexually attractive, and dressing proactively. I think the difference is you see ‘hot’ as being attractive and sexy, I see the word hot to mean dressing with a lot of flesh revealed.

I find my wife very attractive, even sexually, without having to expose her body. I think it detracts from a woman’s dignity when she exposes too much flesh, revealing the parts that should be saved for her husband. I think the same for men. I think too often our society makes baring flesh (especially when it is us men involved) a norm. There is a big difference in taking off a shirt to dig a ditch because it’s 100 degrees outside, and dressing to attract attention to your body. (Now a ditch digger can indeed be provocative, but in many cases he would not be trying to be so, he is just trying to stay cool.)

I’m not making a comment on the broader concepton what is decent or indecent, because some of us are much more conservative than others. But we should be aware of our intentions behind our dress nonetheless. There is a big difference in a woman wearing what she finds to be normal, and dressing to get men to inspect her stuff. (same with a man and his dress.)

*BTW I too think the women you have mentioned are pretty in their own way, but I think they would be just as pretty fully clothed as they are in many of their revealing or even non existent clothing.
 
I think everyone should emphasize their innocence to an extent, not just women.There is rightly a difference in being sexually attractive, and dressing proactively. I think the difference is you see ‘hot’ as being attractive and sexy, I see the word hot to mean dressing with a lot of flesh revealed.

I find my wife very attractive, even sexually, without having to expose her body. I think it detracts from a woman’s dignity when she exposes too much flesh, revealing the parts that should be saved for her husband. I think the same for men. I think too often our society makes baring flesh (especially when it is us men involved) a norm. There is a big difference in taking off a shirt to dig a ditch because it’s 100 degrees outside, and dressing to attract attention to your body. (Now a ditch digger can indeed be provocative, but in many cases he would not be trying to be so, he is just trying to stay cool.)

I’m not making a comment on the broader concepton what is decent or indecent, because some of us are much more conservative than others. But we should be aware of our intentions behind our dress nonetheless. There is a big difference in a woman wearing what she finds to be normal, and dressing to get men to inspect her stuff. (same with a man and his dress.)

*BTW I too think the women you have mentioned are pretty in their own way, but I think they would be just as pretty fully clothed as they are in many of their revealing or even non existent clothing.
I was born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil… and currently live in the east cost of Florida. Wearing less/smaller clothing and bathing suits has always been a part of my culture considering where I’ve lived, and it doesn’t necessarily have to be sexualized all the time. It’s more in a person’s personality and the way they carry themselves, then on how much skin is exposed on a hot summer day.

It’s always best not to judge people too much based on appearances or clothing, in any sense. 👍
 
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I think a lady can be pretty and hot at the same time. My husband thinks I’m both, and I see nothing wrong with that. People on here freak out at the word “hot” sometimes because it can have a sexy connotation to it, which again, I see nothing wrong with that either. (unless there’s something wrong with being sexually attracted to someone, which there absolutely is not)

On a different note, this article really emphasizes women’s “innocence.” Should men emphasize their innocence as well?? Any thoughts?
By “hot”, we don’t mean “very attractive” or even “smothering”. It’s more like emphasising sexuality so much. You can have a refined version of “hot”, where it can be “pretty” to an extent. But you also have the attitude of just flashing people with base associations, where some people use the gory “lump of meat” metaphor. At some point it starts to offend men’s intelligence (although men tend to be the best at offending their intelligence themselves).
 
By “hot”, we don’t mean “very attractive” or even “smothering”. It’s more like emphasising sexuality so much. You can have a refined version of “hot”, where it can be “pretty” to an extent. But you also have the attitude of just flashing people with base associations, where some people use the gory “lump of meat” metaphor. At some point it starts to offend men’s intelligence (although men tend to be the best at offending their intelligence themselves).
I guess I’ve never known “hot” to mean immodest or impure. I’ve always known hot to simply be another word to describe sexy physical attractiveness, which every woman has in her own way.

IMHO, it is best to make that definition clear in threads like this so we can avoid any confusion in regards to sexual attraction.
 
I guess I’ve never known “hot” to mean immodest or impure. I’ve always known hot to simply be another word to describe sexy physical attractiveness, which every woman has in her own way.

IMHO, it is best to make that definition clear in threads like this so we can avoid any confusion in regards to sexual attraction.
I actually have an issue with “sexy” too. The way I see it, “sexy” is associated with “sexual”, which is basically provoking others to lustful thoughts. It’s fine if we’re dressing to be attractive, it’s not fine when we’re dressing to tempt and to make others give up the use of reason in favour of engaging in lustful imaginations, or if we try to bypass or overcome their free will in choosing to what to do with any attraction they may feel. (As in collecting our tribute in the form of the sexual response that those people may actually not want to give us. This is one of the problems I have with “sexy” dressing.) We also have no business wanting to be sexually desired by the general public or by everybody we meet etc.
I was born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil… and currently live in the east cost of Florida. Wearing less/smaller clothing and bathing suits has always been a part of my culture considering where I’ve lived, and it doesn’t necessarily have to be sexualized all the time. It’s more in a person’s personality and the way they carry themselves, then on how much skin is exposed on a hot summer day.

It’s always best not to judge people too much based on appearances or clothing, in any sense. 👍
There are two-piece swimsuits (nothing wrong with them per se, by the way) that are way more modest than some types of clothing that covers the whole body, and there are types of clothing that are overwhelmingly more provocative than e.g. artistic nudity. Skin is not the problem (I certainly have been using it as a mental shortcut and other posters possibly also), the problem is that it’s being used to tease others in improper ways (the aspect of provocation). Swimsuits have a legitimate purpose. Cavernous cleavage does not really, or strategically placed openings. Then there’s the way people move and speak, actually, even voice pitch can be indecent and used to incite lust in others.
 
I am grateful that adult women are no longer forced to concern themselves with other peoples’ preferences when making decisions about what clothes to wear or not wear, or what makeup to apply or not apply.

I am even more grateful to live in a time when we understand that girls and women are not objects to be consumed or defended, despite what the author of The Death of Pretty suggests. He wants to make women commodities the same way he asserts feminism did, albeit commodities beyond the direct control of men.

Moreover, “innocence” is an affect projected by people with little to no power or autonomy. By lamenting the fact the women no longer look “innocent,” I think the author wishes for a time when women had diminished roles in society and were seen as childlike and harmless rather than powerful. I mean, who would describe Wangari Maathai, Indira Gandhi, Yingluck Shinawatra, Meg Whitman, or any other female leader, as “innocent?”

Luna
 
I am grateful that adult women are no longer forced to concern themselves with other peoples’ preferences when making decisions about what clothes to wear or not wear, or what makeup to apply or not apply.

I am even more grateful to live in a time when we understand that girls and women are not objects to be consumed or defended, despite what the author of The Death of Pretty suggests. He wants to make women commodities the same way he asserts feminism did, albeit commodities beyond the direct control of men.

Moreover, “innocence” is an affect projected by people with little to no power or autonomy. By lamenting the fact the women no longer look “innocent,” I think the author wishes for a time when women had diminished roles in society and were seen as childlike and harmless rather than powerful. I mean, who would describe Wangari Maathai, Indira Gandhi, Yingluck Shinawatra, Meg Whitman, or any other female leader, as “innocent?”

Luna
Not at all. I believe the author understands “innocence” much in the same way as “chastity”. This has nothing to do with preferring women to be subdued, weak etc. This does have much to do with preferring women to be chaste and project a chastity-friendly image for lack of a better word. He makes an explicit reference to beauty as opposed to base sexual urges, projection of sexual appetite or availability.

Therefore, the author is very much in favour of dignity. He isn’t telling women to hide their ankles. He’s asking that women don’t market themselves as sexual objects (which Christian women, and men too for that matter) have no business doing because premarital sex is a mortal sin, also when it is merely fantasised about in one’s mind. As Catholics we have no business defending a right to do whatever we see fit with our sexuality (including premarital or extramarital sex or one-night stands) simply because we don’t have that right. That is, we can do it, but it will be a mortal sin and will separate us from God. Our sexuality is meant to be ordered, we should not be presenting it as disordered (and it is disordered when it is rampant, voracious, doesn’t restrain itself to one partner chosen till death do us part, which is what a lot of modern clothing lines project the wearer’s sexuality to be). We also have no business pretending that we don’t value chastity as much as we really do as Catholics. (Yes, some people just have a problem with an inch of material missing here or there. Nope. The problem is with using one’s appearance to provoke others to engage in sinful thoughts.)

Plus, at the risk of repeating myself: we have no business being sexually desired by people in general, as in the general public or the people we meet when we go about our business. We have business being sexually desired by our spouses and we also have some business inducing a chosen person to marry us (though still not at the cost of violating the moral law by fornication, physical or mental). Some of the modern clothing lines are incompatible with this idea because they are designed specifically for the purpose of causing arousal in others.

Besides, women feel disrespected when oggled. Sometimes the same women who wear provocative clothing (humans are entirely capable of being inconsistent). As a man, I feel direspected when a woman attempts to get a couple of seconds of sexual arousal out of me in order to confirm her own attractiveness to herself, without being interested in my personality and without being concerned with my feelings. Let alone anything remotely associated with marrying me. In which case she’d have every right to want me to desire her sexually.

Hope this helps.
or any other female leader, as “innocent?”
How about St. Joan of Arc, who was the finest knight to walk this earth? And what about Our Lady, who’s more “powerful” than any other created being (apart from becoming the Queen of Heaven as a created human being) and yet the most innocent of all? On the male side, Our Lord Himself is innocent. God is the most innocent of all beings.
 
I actually have an issue with “sexy” too. The way I see it, “sexy” is associated with “sexual”, which is basically provoking others to lustful thoughts. It’s fine if we’re dressing to be attractive, it’s not fine when we’re dressing to tempt and to make others give up the use of reason in favour of engaging in lustful imaginations, or if we try to bypass or overcome their free will in choosing to what to do with any attraction they may feel. (As in collecting our tribute in the form of the sexual response that those people may actually not want to give us. This is one of the problems I have with “sexy” dressing.) We also have no business wanting to be sexually desired by the general public or by everybody we meet etc.
With all due respect, we are sexual creatures. In my opinion, all women are sexy in their own way, regardless of how she dresses. I certainly think my husband is very sexy and I am very sexually attracted to him, and vice versa, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. (Don’t you think your wife is sexy??)

Sexuality becomes wrong when it is exploited and used in the wrong way, but it is not wrong in and of itself. It is actually very good, and is part of who we are as human beings.
There are two-piece swimsuits (nothing wrong with them per se, by the way) that are way more modest than some types of clothing that covers the whole body, and there are types of clothing that are overwhelmingly more provocative than e.g. artistic nudity. Skin is not the problem (I certainly have been using it as a mental shortcut and other posters possibly also), the problem is that it’s being used to tease others in improper ways (the aspect of provocation). Swimsuits have a legitimate purpose. Cavernous cleavage does not really, or strategically placed openings. Then there’s the way people move and speak, actually, even voice pitch can be indecent and used to incite lust in others.
As I said, it all depends on how it is worn and the nature/intention of it. Where I come from, 2 piece bathing suits are perfectly normal and acceptable. (a lady would get much more stares and attention if she showed up wearing one of those muslim swim suits) The modesty line at my beach doesn’t usually get crossed unless someone shows up topless (if female) or wearing a thong.
 
I am grateful that adult women are no longer forced to concern themselves with other peoples’ preferences when making decisions about what clothes to wear or not wear, or what makeup to apply or not apply.

I am even more grateful to live in a time when we understand that girls and women are not objects to be consumed or defended, despite what the author of The Death of Pretty suggests. He wants to make women commodities the same way he asserts feminism did, albeit commodities beyond the direct control of men.

Moreover, “innocence” is an affect projected by people with little to no power or autonomy. By lamenting the fact the women no longer look “innocent,” I think the author wishes for a time when women had diminished roles in society and were seen as childlike and harmless rather than powerful. I mean, who would describe Wangari Maathai, Indira Gandhi, Yingluck Shinawatra, Meg Whitman, or any other female leader, as “innocent?”

Luna
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A lot of the early feminists - Mary Wollstonecraft, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, the Pankhursts et all - certainly didn’t leave an impression of being weaklings or objects in any way. But they still, as far as I know of them, kept to very high standards as far as speech, dress, behaviour etc.

Besides which, Jesus enjoined all his disciples (not just the females) to be as well as seem ‘innocent as doves’. It’s not a female thing, it’s a godly thing.
I am grateful that adult women are no longer forced to concern themselves with other peoples’ preferences when making decisions about what clothes to wear or not wear, or what makeup to apply or not apply.

I am even more grateful to live in a time when we understand that girls and women are not objects to be consumed or defended, despite what the author of The Death of Pretty suggests. He wants to make women commodities the same way he asserts feminism did, albeit commodities beyond the direct control of men.

Moreover, “innocence” is an affect projected by people with little to no power or autonomy. By lamenting the fact the women no longer look “innocent,” I think the author wishes for a time when women had diminished roles in society and were seen as childlike and harmless rather than powerful. I mean, who would describe Wangari Maathai, Indira Gandhi, Yingluck Shinawatra, Meg Whitman, or any other female leader, as “innocent?”

Luna
 
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