The Definitive NAB Thread!

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TheApologist said:
Anyway we’re off-topic…

I do have a NAB translation. It’s a Catholic Youth Bible. I actually haven’t really gotten to chuck into it yet, but I do realize several key phrases are just confusing like God-hero “highly favored daughter” instead of a “full of grace” Mary.

The side articles are good sometimes. It’s more of a begineers Bible. Maybe Catholic Youth who don’t really know that much about Catholicism. Maybe tween Catholics who aren’t in Catholic school. Would they read it?..Maybe their parents would read it. I don’t know.

I know I really want either a one-volume RSV-2ndCE pocket sized. Or…a couple of volumes of RSV-2ndCE pocket sized. I would love that WITH a Haydock Commentary thrown in. No, I would not like fries with that.

Wouldn’t it be great if Bibles could be made to order like that? Mhmm…business proposition!
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The NAB is a translation that is easier to read than the RSV-CE. The NAB uses language around 6th grade reading level, whereas the RSV-CE uses language around 11th grade reading level. I would say that the NAB would be easier for youths to read. I would recommend the RSV-CE to high school students and adults.
 
lak611 said:
The NAB is a translation that is easier to read than the RSV-CE. The NAB uses language around 6th grade reading level, whereas the RSV-CE uses language around 11th grade reading level. I would say that the NAB would be easier for youths to read. I would recommend the RSV-CE to high school students and adults.
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What about the RSV- SECOND CE? Or is there much difference?
 
I enjoy the NAB and use it for my studies. I have always found it helpful as a new Catholic to have the footnotes.
 
cialovesyou said:
Ecclesial Rumour number 1039373543a says that the next missel will use the NRSV with revisions.
1039373543b says the translation will not include “inclusive” language, sorry ladies.
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This will not happen - because the National Council of Churches have already rejected the idea. they do not want the NRSV text to have its inclusive language undermined.

Henry Wansborough, who edited the New Jerusalem Bible, was working on a revision of the NRSV for Mass that would conform to the Liturgiam Authenticum, but the NCC has nixed the idea.

Let’s hope that the Church turns to the second edition of the RSV-CE.
 
bookgirl said:
I’ll try the RSVCE. I’ve already noticed how different the translations are in the NAB compared to the others, as well as the one used by the author of the study which is the NIV. Luckily, this study isn’t extremely deep, and for the most part it’s pretty non-confrontational as far as Catholics / Evangelicals, so far anyway. I just want to make sure I’m as informed as I can be as far as the Church’s interpretation. Not that the NAB wouldn’t be right, but if the footnotes could be confusing I’ll stay away from them as far as the study goes.
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Also consider the Confraternity Bible. it is the version in use before the NAB. The Old Testament of the Confraternity Bible is basically the same as the NAB, except for the 1991 Psalms The New Testament is a better translation and the notes are just as scholarly, but much, much more faithful to the teaching of the Church.
 
lanceg said:
Also consider the Confraternity Bible. it is the version in use before the NAB. The Old Testament of the Confraternity Bible is basically the same as the NAB, except for the 1991 Psalms The New Testament is a better translation and the notes are just as scholarly, but much, much more faithful to the teaching of the Church.
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I’ll check that out too. I’m hoping Gloria Deo, our local Catholic bookstore, will have all in stock. They’re a great bookstore, they should.
 
bookgirl said:
I’ll check that out too. I’m hoping Gloria Deo, our local Catholic bookstore, will have all in stock. They’re a great bookstore, they should.
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The Confraternity version is difficult to find. It may even be out-of-print because the USCCB publishes the NAB and they used to publish the Confraternity version. They pretty much stopped publishing the Confraternity version when they came out with the NAB. You may be able to find a used Confraternity version, perhaps on eBay.
 
NotWorthy said:
What really chaps my chapper about the NAB is the footnotes - which (luckily) are not used in the Mass.

The translation is adequate for me for it’s pretty simple and easy
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I’m curious. Could you point out some of the footnotes that you’re speaking of?

Subrosa
 
lak611 said:
The Confraternity version is difficult to find. It may even be out-of-print because the USCCB publishes the NAB and they used to publish the Confraternity version. They pretty much stopped publishing the Confraternity version when they came out with the NAB. You may be able to find a used Confraternity version, perhaps on eBay.
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The Confraternity Bible can be found new at Sinag-tala, a publishing house in the Phillipines. It is, if I recall, a compact edition about 4.5"x6". You are correct about ebay. Multiple copies are usually available on any given day.
 
Subrosa said:
I’m curious. Could you point out some of the footnotes that you’re speaking of?

Subrosa
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I’m sure NotWorthy can point some out. In the meantime I’d like to try. One example concerns the Annunciation. Here is Luke1:34 in the NAB: But Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?”
Here is footnote 12:[34] Mary’s questioning response is a denial of sexual relations and is used by Luke to lead to the angel’s declaration about the Spirit’s role in the conception of this child (Luke 1:35). According to Luke, the virginal conception of Jesus takes place through the holy Spirit, the power of God, and therefore Jesus has a unique relationship to Yahweh: he is Son of God.
Here is the related footnote 9, attached to Luke 1:20 (concerning Zechariah):[20] You will be speechless and unable to talk : Zechariah’s becoming mute is the sign given in response to his question in v 18. When Mary asks a similar question in Luke1:34, unlike Zechariah who was punished for his doubt, she, in spite of her doubt, is praised and reassured(Luke 1:35-37).
Doubt and denial (as if accused) on Mary’s part. Let’s look at the verse and footnote from the older Confraternity Bible:But Mary said to the angel, “How shall this happen, since I do not know man?”
Confraternity footnote 2:Mary did not doubt, as did Zachary, that the angel’s words would be fulfilled, but prudently enquired how this would be accomplished, since she had firmly resolved to remain a virgin. The angel explained to her that her conception would be produced by the Holy Spirit and the power of the Most High.
Mary never doubted God. The use of the word “shall” preserves that idea. And notice no extraneous references in the note to the evangelist Luke, as if he is choreographing the scene.

If you have a NAB, you might also check footnote 3 in Matthew chapter 5. You might be surprised to learn that Matthew “probably” composed half of the beatitudes of the sermon on the mount himself!
 
Subrosa said:
I’m curious. Could you point out some of the footnotes that you’re speaking of?

Subrosa
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I also have a problem with the footnote for Mark 6:5 which reads
He was not able to perform any mighty deed there: according to Mark, Jesus’ power could not take effect because of a person’s lack of faith.
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Compare that to the footnote from the Douay-Rheims which reads
“He could not”… Not for want of power, but because he would not work miracles in favour of obstinate and incredulous people, who were unworthy of such favours.
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drbo.org/chapter/48006.htm

The NAB footnote for Mark 6:5 seems to imply that Jesus is not Omnipotent.
 
lanceg said:
This will not happen - because the National Council of Churches have already rejected the idea. they do not want the NRSV text to have its inclusive language undermined.

Henry Wansborough, who edited the New Jerusalem Bible, was working on a revision of the NRSV for Mass that would conform to the Liturgiam Authenticum, but the NCC has nixed the idea.

Let’s hope that the Church turns to the second edition of the RSV-CE.
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lanceg,

If what you say is true, why doesn’t Henry Wansbrough edit the inclusive language out of his own work, the NJB of 1985, so it might be considered for liturgical use?

I’ve had it up to here with those trying to make something of the NRSV! :mad:
 
trth_skr said:
… the Douay Rheims … is a cousin of the KJV, and contains all the books required. It has a similar language style as the KJV (the DR has been updated in the 19th century, not sure about the KJV). In fact it was co-developed with the “seperated bretheren” right after the reformation, so it is an example of true ecumenism.
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Strictly speaking, not true, as you’ve said here.

The KJV translators DID refer to the Rheims NT, since it had been published in 1582, years before the KJV effort had begun. When Abp. Challoner undertook his revision of the Douay-Rheims between 1749-52, he borrowed heavily from the KJV.

But one should not go so far as to say the D-R was “co-developed with the ‘separated brethren’”, nor “is (it) an example of true ecumenism”.

One can say this of the NAB and NRSV, but look what we have to show for it? :rolleyes:
 
I noticed one or more folks commenting that the Haydock Bible was very expensive.

At $125 it runs $50 to $30 more than protestant flagship, the Thompson Chain Reference Bible.

I think when I bought my Haydock 3 years ago, it was less than $125. Maybe $110? Don’t recall.

And I have a Douay from Baronius Press that costs less, $35 to $50. I’ve forgotten.

For someone who relishes Bible study and commentary from the Fathers of the Church on, the Haydock can’t be beat.
 
richardwy said:
I noticed one or more folks commenting that the Haydock Bible was very expensive.

At $125 it runs $50 to $30 more than protestant flagship, the Thompson Chain Reference Bible.

I think when I bought my Haydock 3 years ago, it was less than $125. Maybe $110? Don’t recall.

And I have a Douay from Baronius Press that costs less, $35 to $50. I’ve forgotten.

For someone who relishes Bible study and commentary from the Fathers of the Church on, the Haydock can’t be beat.
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No need to buy the Haydock since the commentary is free on-line. It works with any Bible (Douay-Rheims or not).
 
Yeah but if you read its commentary on a regular basis you will be predisposed against translations other than the Douay Rheims because you’ll catch so many of their errors.
 
richardwy said:
I noticed one or more folks commenting that the Haydock Bible was very expensive.

At $125 it runs $50 to $30 more than protestant flagship, the Thompson Chain Reference Bible.

I think when I bought my Haydock 3 years ago, it was less than $125. Maybe $110? Don’t recall.

And I have a Douay from Baronius Press that costs less, $35 to $50. I’ve forgotten.

For someone who relishes Bible study and commentary from the Fathers of the Church on, the Haydock can’t be beat.
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For our main “family bible” I did buy a 2 volume photo reproduction of the Douay Rheims (Challoner), complete with the commentary (Haydock). The latest version is hardback and costs $125. I am not sure if it is 1 or 2 volumes now.

For study purposes, this may be too much. Here is a basic DR for $54.95. Here is the NT for $16.95.

The entire DR Bible is available online, with conmmentary (not sure if it is the Haydock) and search capability. They also have the Vulgate.
You can download either Bible on this page.

Here is a facsimile of the original Rheims NT (after which you may appreciate the Cahlloner revision). Here are modern editions of the Douay OT and Rheims NT. Don’t knlw too much about the quality of either. Not suer they are important except for scholarly work or collectors. It is pretty pricey to obtain all the volumes.

Here is a downloadable complete original DR for $85.95. They also have CD versions and print versions (I believe same as the above).

I also have the DR on my smart phone (Palm). You can get free copies for many handheld formats here.

So the DR is available in any price range you want (including free). 🙂

I may someday get the original in some form, but more for curiosity than anything else.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
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