The Devil No Longer An Angel HOW?

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Didn’t The Lord Change The Devil From An Angel Into Whom He Is?
 
GRACE1022 said:
Didn’t The Lord Change The Devil From An Angel Into Whom He Is?
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No, Satan chose to leave Heaven. All of the angels were able to choose to stay in Heaven or fall away. Satan and his followers chose to fall out of God’s grace. Once they made that choice, they cannot turn back on that decision.

God bless,
Nicole
 
the word angel is actually a job description, meaning messenger from God, obviously when the angels who followed Lucifer declined to follow the Boss’s orders, they basically quit their jobs, so no longer can be called angels, that does not however change their mode of being which is pure spirit, or their abilities as such. Neither does it add to those abilities.
 
nicolep said:
No, Satan chose to leave Heaven. All of the angels were able to choose to stay in Heaven or fall away. Satan and his followers chose to fall out of God’s grace. Once they made that choice, they cannot turn back on that decision.

God bless,
Nicole
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Nicole,

But didn’t the Lord create hell? I thought he created it because
of the devil falling.

GRACE
 
Puzzleannie is absolutely correct - as she always is!
the word angel is actually a job description… when the angels who followed Lucifer declined to follow the Boss’s orders, they basically quit their jobs, so no longer can be called angels, that does not however change their mode of being which is pure spirit, or their abilities as such. Neither does it add to those abilities.
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It is a matter of nature - and in this case, angelic nature, pure spirits. That cannot change. Thus angels stay angels whether good or evil. They retain their nature - but we distinguish between them by what we call them. The fallen ones we call devils, demons etc. And, as Puzzleannie said, they retain their abilities, but we must remember that they cannot do anything not allowed by God.

Humans remain humans, never becoming angels nor devils in the afterlife.

Yes, God created Hell for those fallen spirits.
 
You believe that Angels were NEVER humans? They are
only ever created by God as NEW creation and they just
remain the same one’s forever?

That we if we pass you really believe that we will never
be an angel in heaven or hell?

I do not believe that, just as saints were humans before
in heaven I feel that depending upon the job chooses for
you is if you will or will not be an angel.

I thought that we are no longer humans when we go to heaven.

GRACE
 
GRACE1022 said:
You believe that Angels were NEVER humans? They are
only ever created by God as NEW creation and they just
remain the same one’s forever?

That we if we pass you really believe that we will never
be an angel in heaven or hell?

I do not believe that, just as saints were humans before
in heaven I feel that depending upon the job chooses for
you is if you will or will not be an angel.

I thought that we are no longer humans when we go to heaven.

GRACE
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Grace,

Angels were indeed NEVER human. They are a separate creation from human beings.

Once a human always a human. When we die, we will be disembodied human souls until we get our bodies back on Judgment Day.

I highly recommend the book *Angels (and Demons): What Do We Really Know About Them? * by Dr. Peter Kreeft.

Here’s an online excerpt that includes the twelve most important things to know about angels:

Angels
by Dr. Peter Kreeft
 
beckycmarie said:
Grace,

Angels were indeed NEVER human. They are a separate creation from human beings.

Once a human always a human. When we die, we will be disembodied human souls until we get our bodies back on Judgment Day.

I highly recommend the book *Angels (and Demons): What Do We Really Know About Them? * by Dr. Peter Kreeft.

Here’s an online excerpt that includes the twelve most important things to know about angels:

Angels
by Dr. Peter Kreeft
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You believe we get our bodies back on judgement day. To me that sounds as if that is a way of believing in reincarnation???

GRACE :confused:
 
It’s interesting to note that Matt. 25:41 says:
Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels’.****
 
Reincarnation and the resurrection of the body are two very different things.

Reincarnation is the belief that, after death, the soul immediately goes into different body or form (a spider for example).

The Resurrection of the Body is the belief that humans’ immortal souls will be reunited with their bodies in a glorified state. As a Catholic, we state in the Nicene Creed that “We believe…in the Resurrection of the Body”.

God bless,
Nicole
 
nicolep said:
Reincarnation and the resurrection of the body are two very different things.

Reincarnation is the belief that, after death, the soul immediately goes into different body or form (a spider for example).

The Resurrection of the Body is the belief that humans’ immortal souls will be reunited with their bodies in a glorified state. As a Catholic, we state in the Nicene Creed that “We believe…in the Resurrection of the Body”.

God bless,
Nicole
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I believe it is the decending of our souls not our bodies.
I did think that our bodies become intact in heaven.
That’s why the way you wrote it made me think that is in
the means of reincarnation, to be back into a human body again.

GRACE:o
 
elvisman said:
It’s interesting to note that Matt. 25:41 says:
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels’.****
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THANK YOU FOR THIS ELVISMAN!!!

GRACE:thumbsup:
 
I wondered if it was a matter of terminology or not. Just a note, I did not write the post your referring to that made you think of reincarnation. Although, everything she said does keep with Church teachings.

I do want to point out that nowhere in Matthew 25:41 does God say that he prepared hell for the devil and his angels. He just says it was prepared.

Also, I misquoted The Nicene Creed in my previous post. We profess our believe of the resurrection of the dead (not the body). It still means the same point I was trying to get across though.

God bless,
Nicole
 
It’s the Apostle’s Creed that mentions the resurrection of the body:
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
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Here’s are a few things the CCC has to say on the resurrection of the body, which is one of the basics of our faith.
366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not “produced” by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.
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1016 By death the soul is separated from the body, but in the resurrection God will give incorruptible life to our body, transformed by reunion with our soul. Just as Christ is risen and lives for ever, so all of us will rise at the last day.
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1005 To rise with Christ, we must die with Christ: we must “be away from the body and at home with the Lord.” In that “departure” which is death the soul is separated from the body. It will be reunited with the body on the day of resurrection of the dead.
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Dear Grace,
If you don’t mind answering, where did you get the idea of angels being people? Over the last few years this idea seems to have become popular. I was never taught that. Also my understanding of Re-incarnation has nothing to do with the resurection of the dead or the restoration of our bodies in heaven.
 
GRACE1022 said:
Didn’t The Lord Change The Devil From An Angel Into Whom He Is?
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No. Satan chose to change himself into a devil (“slander”) from an angel (“messenger of God”) by his act of disobedience to God. He didn’t change his nature - being a spirit - but his office - from angel to devil - by his act of disobedience to God. In other words, by disobeying the Lord, Satan chose to be his enemy rather than his servant. “Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven,” to quote the Divine Comedy.
 
GRACE1022 said:
You believe that Angels were NEVER humans? They are
only ever created by God as NEW creation and they just
remain the same one’s forever?
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Why would it be otherwise? Of course angels were never human, nor will humans ever be angels.
That we if we pass you really believe that we will never
be an angel in heaven or hell?
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Why would we be? Where have you heard this?
I do not believe that, just as saints were humans before
in heaven I feel that depending upon the job chooses for
you is if you will or will not be an angel.
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Angels are “ministering spirits” (referred to in Hebrews) sent to help humans. They are a separate creation from man. They were created before mankind. Again, I’m wondering where you got your information? It’s very peculiar for a Catholic to believe these things.
I thought that we are no longer humans when we go to heaven.
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GRACE
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Maybe I’m missing something here. We will always be “human” because our nature is human. Our bodies will be resurrected and changed by God when Christ comes again. Our corruptible bodies will put on immortality and we’ll enter Heaven. The apostle Paul tells us this in his letters to the Corinthians.

Peace…

MW
 
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