The Diaconate - What's going on in Western Canada?

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Here in the Archdiocese of Vancouver we have about two deacons. In the Archdiocese of Toronto there’s I think hundreds. I remember there was a post about a diocese in the U.S. that had 160 deacons. Why the huge difference? Why is it that there are barely any deacons here? Are they being wrongfully discouraged? Is it the priests? Is it the laity? Does anyone know why this is the situation here in Vancouver? How can it be that we have two deacons while others have so many?! :confused:
 
Hi Cradle,

Your post perked enough interest for me to do a little research. The Archdiocese of Vancouver does not have a permanent diaconate program right now. The two deacons that you have in the diocese probably moved there from other places in Canada where their diocese had a diaconate program.

When the permanent diaconate was restored by Vatican II, the Church left it up to each national conference, and local bishop, to determine whether to have permanent deacons in their region/diocese. Hence you will still find dioceses in the United States and Canada that do not have permanent deacons. Those that don’t have permanent deacons are by now far in the minority…but they are out there.

The good news is that the final recommendations of the 2006 Fourth Synod of the Archdiocese of Vancouver (you can read it at this link: rcav.org/synod/propositions.htm) recommends implementing the permanent diaconate in the Archdiocese. The bad news is that there is no other information on the Archdiocese website about permanent deacon. Just because a recommendation was made does not mean that anything has been done yet to implement it.

I recommend that you discuss this with your parish priest to see what he knows. There are probably many men in the Archdioces who would answer the call to be permanent deacons if only a program existed to form them and call them to ministry in the Archdiocese. “Ground Swell” movements have worked in other places.

Our Archdioces has just started formation for it’s first class of permanent deacons. We are in our third year, or a five year program, of formation. Our new Archbishop came from a diocese that a very strong permanent diaconate. One of his first acts was to start the ball rolling to implement the permanent diaconate in our Archdiocese. So, it can happen, but alot depends on the Archbishop’s views and desires.

God Bless…
 
OldRedleg got it dead on as far as how it ended up being that some places had no or almost no deacons.

No as to why some diocese never even started programs?

I know of one diocese where the bishop stated that he would not ordain married deacons until he could ordain women. It goes without saying that he retired never having ordained a married deacon.

In another diocese the vocations to the priesthood were so strong that deacons were not explored.

In a third diocese the intial diaconate program launched had such increadibly poor formation with the men recieving almost no solid theological or liturgical training that when a new bishop came to town he discontinued the program rather than restructure it. 20 years came and went before it was even explored again.

There may be other reasons why some diocese never adopted diaconal programs… but these are just a few that I have heard.

Personally I think that we haven’t really fully realized or understood the value of the diaconate. There are 16.6K deacons in the US, and within the next 5-10 years it is well expected that the number will exceed 20K. As familiar a mainstay as many of these hard-working men have become, waaaaaay too many Catholics think of them as “super-duper-altar-boys” or extra-committed laity. The sacramental nature of their role and their use in administration and teaching really is just becoming apparent to many. Deacon Greg Kandra of “The Deacon’s Bench” blog recently noted that there is not even a good national website for resources on discerning the call to the diaconate online… With 16.6K deacons, you would think that there would be some by now.
 
Two practical problems for the west is they don’t have seminaries capable of forming deacons and secondly many bishops saw the unholy mess with the diocese by diocese experimentation going in the larger cities. Some programs were so progressively heretical and clumsily administered they were even stopped for a time. Recently Rome has released clear directives about the nature of the diaconate and the expectations of formation.

In Toronto the formation started as 1 year program and deacons didn’t get full faculties if they were not qualified and now like many big cities they end up with a four year program, graduate credentials and full faculties to preach, minister, and administer baptism and weddings.

God Bless
 
Personally I think that we haven’t really fully realized or understood the value of the diaconate. …As familiar a mainstay as many of these hard-working men have become, waaaaaay too many Catholics think of them as “super-duper-altar-boys” or extra-committed laity. The sacramental nature of their role and their use in administration and teaching really is just becoming apparent to many. .
I never understood the role or need for permanent deacons. I understand they take vows, but what are they supposed to do, other than preach, witness weddings and preside at baptisms that a lay person can not do? I have heard homilies from deacons for many years and have not heard a good one yet. There might be a good deacon preacher out ther somewhere, but I haven’t run into one. They visit the sick in hospitals, but can not hear confessions. Anyone can do this. The ceremonial role at Mass, in the processions, the sideways sash, but no essential role for a deacon, does make them seem like glorified altar boys, extraneous, kind of like KCs with the funny hats and daggers. If they were not on the altar no one would notice. When they are one wonders why.
 
I never understood the role or need for permanent deacons. I understand they take vows, but what are they supposed to do, other than preach, witness weddings and preside at baptisms that a lay person can not do? I have heard homilies from deacons for many years and have not heard a good one yet. There might be a good deacon preacher out ther somewhere, but I haven’t run into one. They visit the sick in hospitals, but can not hear confessions. Anyone can do this. The ceremonial role at Mass, in the processions, the sideways sash, but no essential role for a deacon, does make them seem like glorified altar boys, extraneous, kind of like KCs with the funny hats and daggers. If they were not on the altar no one would notice. When they are one wonders why.
I agree with you (except on the reference to the Knights of Columbus, but that’s for a different thread). I have not seen much, if any, good come from the permanent diaconate. Although I accept that the Church has restored it, it seems to be more of a way to justify “having it all”- of being both clergy and married men.
 
I know of one diocese where the bishop stated that he would not ordain married deacons until he could ordain women. It goes without saying that he retired never having ordained a married deacon.

I heard similar from a priest in another archidiocese “No diaconate until the 6 laicized married priest who reside in my diocese can return to their full duties as priests.”

In another diocese the vocations to the priesthood were so strong that deacons were not explored.
Certainly not the case in any diocese I’ve been in recently.

Personally I think that we haven’t really fully realized or understood the value of the diaconate.
I’m 54 and it was only when I was 40 that I was made aware that there was such a thing as the diaconate (although in the years before Vat. II I’d often heard my parents refer to 'deacon/subdeacon masses, usually referring to requiem Mass for a priest) and only in the last 6 or 7 have I understood a bit of what it was about.

In Eastern Canada there are 29 deacons, 28 of them in the Archdiocese of Halifax where they have the Atlantic School of Theology. There are 10 other dioceses/archdioceses spread over 4 provinces.

While it may well be that various bishops lack the will to establish a diaconal training program in their diocese it may also be that the population is very low. There are more Catholics in the Archidiocese of Toronto than in all 4 Atlantic provinces put together. It’s easy for Toronto to train deacons, less so for bishops in the Atlantic provinces due to the logistics.
 
The posts by “grandfather” and “m134e5” that denigrate the diaconate have been bothering me.

To be sure there have been problems and challenges dealing with the implementation of the permanent diaconate here in the United States and Canada. There have been problems with the academic and spiritual formation of deacons and how they have been used in various dioceses across the country. A new National Directory for the Formation, Life and Ministry of Permanent Deacons in the United States was published on 26 December 2004 by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops that has done wonders to correct those faults. You can download a copy at usccb.org/deacon/5-368.pdf. I encourage you to read this document in order to understand what the diaconate is supposed to be and how men are supposed to be formed to be good Deacons.

I am currently in formation to be a deacon. It is a five year program that will include over 1060 classroom hours of instruction covering topics such as Systematic Theology, Liturgy, Ecclesiology, Christology, Catechetics, Homiletics, Moral Theology, the Synoptic Gospels, Paul’s Letters, the Old Testament, a Clinical Pastoral Orientation on Hospital Ministry, and classes on Pastoral Care. Next summer I will have to take a week of my vacation time from work to attend a Homiletics Workshop at the seminary. If we don’t get a passing grade in Homiletics we have been told that we will not get the faculties to preach after ordination from the Archbishop until we do pass a Homiletics course. Only two weekends (about 40 hours or 3% of the total academic instruction) involve a Liturgical Practicum which is focused at the Deacon’s role at the alter during Mass and in conducting various liturgies.

On top of this we have been asked to pray morning and evening prayer from the Liturgy of the Hours, undergo monthly spiritual direction, and maintain involvement with ministry in our parish. For me that means serving as a Lector, Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion, and teaching classes as a member of the RCIA team.

Last year I spent $362.28 purchasing text books, $157.50 for spiritual retreats, and drove 920 miles attending classes at various locations. By the way I work 80 hours a week and still find time to be a volunteer coach for my son’s sports teams and scout troop when I’m not writing papers and reading text books for class.

Why I’m I doing this? Certainly not to be a “glorified altar boy”. (Clearly with only 3% of our formation focused on service to the alter the Church expects more from us as well.) For me, and all of my brothers in formation, it is in answer to a call from God to be a humble servant of the Lord.

My pastor and I discussed last month about what role(s) a deacon could fill in our parish. I told him that I saw the deacon’s role as doing everything he could to free up the pastor’s time to do those things that only a priest can do. Areas that he thought he needed help were prison ministry, burial rites at the VA Cemetery, and continued work with the RCIA. He also asked that my wife and I consider working on the marriage preparation team for our region. This was an area that he thought married clergy could be of particular benefit.

While laity can and do support these ministries, these are all things that the Church should have Catholic clergy involved in…and often don’t…due to the shortage of priests. One of the reasons that the permanent diaconate was brought back was to meet exactly these kinds of needs.

Do I want to be a married priest? Absolutely not…I couldn’t afford the pay cut. But I do want to serve my Church, and the people of God, and the diaconate allows me to do just that.
 
I never understood the role or need for permanent deacons. I understand they take vows, but what are they supposed to do, other than preach, witness weddings and preside at baptisms that a lay person can not do? I have heard homilies from deacons for many years and have not heard a good one yet. There might be a good deacon preacher out ther somewhere, but I haven’t run into one. They visit the sick in hospitals, but can not hear confessions. Anyone can do this. The ceremonial role at Mass, in the processions, the sideways sash, but no essential role for a deacon, does make them seem like glorified altar boys, extraneous, kind of like KCs with the funny hats and daggers. If they were not on the altar no one would notice. When they are one wonders why.
I agree with you (except on the reference to the Knights of Columbus, but that’s for a different thread). I have not seen much, if any, good come from the permanent diaconate. Although I accept that the Church has restored it, it seems to be more of a way to justify “having it all”- of being both clergy and married men.
Study the Acts and you will see what the Diaconate is about.
 
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