The difference between the Eastern and Roman

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Catholicism. Can someone please tell me the main differences like in a list form.
Thank you.šŸ™‚
 
Thank you, Iā€™ll print them out. Gee I never knew there were different Catholic Churches. Its amazing what one can learn on the web, spending most of my life without it.šŸ™‚
 
LoyalViews said:
You must be joking right? Thatā€™s accurate? Really?
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Would you like to make a line-by line critique of the display? Bear in mind that when it was composed it focused on the ā€˜Byzantineā€™ rite churches (as stated), not any of the others.

I am quite curious about your take on it.
 
How do eastern Catholics differ from our brothers and sisters in the Roman Church?

We differ liturgically both in the divine liturgy and in the holy hours. We differ in our liturgical music.

We differ in the calendar of saints and feasts.

We differ in the way Scripture is used in the liturgies.

We differ in terms of our paraliturgical rituals and in our private devotions.

We differ in terms of our root languages for the English translations. We, many of us but not all of us, tend to be an engaging mix of both Slavic and Greek habits of language and mind.

We catechize differently. We tend to reach for an appropriate Orthodox text in teaching before we reach for one from the Roman rite.

We tend to look toward the first seven Councils and the fathers [desert and patristic] to inform our theology and spiritual and liturgical lives.

We have a different manner of fasting and feasting. We have a different tone to our internal squabbling and fussing, which I think is directly connect to what we tend to eat or not eat at any give timeā€¦

We differ in the way we interact with our clergy and our bishops and patriarchs.

We are not the same as the Oriental Catholics and Oriental Orthodox in many ways, almost as many ways as listed above, but we share more of a common patrimony than we do with the west, and common spiritual asceticism.

What else?..Iā€™m running out of general things that come easily to mind.
 
Well thank you for the taking the time to make the list, sounds like there is quite a bit of difference. I will search on the web also.
 
Luvtosew said:
Well thank you for the taking the time to make the list, sounds like there is quite a bit of difference. I will search on the web also.
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Is there a way that you can get to an eastern Catholic Church where you live? ā€¦or even to an Orthodox liturgy?

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LoyalViews said:
You must be joking right? Thatā€™s accurate? Really?
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Well sadly that description of the current state of the Roman rite is quite accurateā€¦

But in response to the OP, Iā€™d compare the the East and Western rites as follows:

That Which We Have in Common:
  • We both have the Seven Sacraments
  • We adhere to the same dogmas (original sin, Papal Infallibility, the Virgin Birthā€¦ etc0
  • We are both in Communion with St. Peter, and his successors (ie. the Pope)
  • We have Feast, and Fast Days
  • We (can) venerate the (same) Saints and the Blessed Virgin
  • this list can go on and on
Areas in which Roman and Eastern rites differ (being general as I believe there are about 23 distinct Eastern rites):

Administration: although the Pope has Universal Jurisdiction over the entire Catholic Church, each one of the Eastern Churches has a Patriarch (incidently the Pope is also Patriarch of the West) who has immediate jurisdiction over all bishops and clergy in his own Apostolic Church. The Byzantine Churches also have a different canon law than Rome.

Ecclesiastical Architecture: this is mostly a regional difference, Church Architecture in the West tends to descend from one of two traditional schools; either Gothic, ā€œClassicalā€ (which for the sake of brevity please take as all styles directly descended from Roman architecture ) or some hybrid between the two.

Eastern Catholic architecture is mostly descended from that of the Byzantine Empire, and later adaptions (such as the ā€œonion domesā€ in Russia and the Ukraine).

Ex. Nortre Dame in Paris vs. St. Basilā€™s in Moscow

As for art, in the West we generally have realistic portraits or statuary. As opposed to the East where statuary is seldom seen, and Iconography more predominant. While Roman art tends to be extremely realistic (and as so quite moving), Iconography is more symbolic in nature.

In regards to the Eucharistic Liturgies, in the West we have the Roman Missal (and regional variations), whereas in the East there are the Divine Liturgies of Ss. Basil the Great and John Chrysostom. Both being organic developments of the first liturgies from the Last Supper to the present day. Just would like to point this out here, in the Roman Church we have an Altar NOT a table (one being for Sacrifice, the other for a mere meal), and the Roman Mass is (supposed to) be as heavenly as itā€™s Byzantine counterparts. We both generally use chant, albeit in different languages and traditions.

Regarding the pamphletā€™s comments on Roman views of God, we focus heavily on the Trinity and the three distinct Persons of God. Both rites see God as ā€œthree in one; one in threeā€.

We also tend to venerate different saints, in that although some saints (like the Blessed Virgin) have a strong universal devotion, others have a stronger regional devotion; for example the popularity of the cults of Ss. Thomas Beckett and Nicholas of Myra would differ greatly depending on if you were in Britain or Russia. We also have a different liturgical calender, some feast days (like Christmas) are celebrated on different days, or in some cases not at all.

In regards theology; although we must believe in the same dogmas, we have different means of explaining said doctrine due to cultural differences.

To sum it up, we express the same Catholic faith differently within our distinct traditions without contradiction.
 
followingtheway said:
Well, thatā€™s a very Christlike thing to say :rolleyes: and whatā€™s wrong with it?
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Hesychios said:
Would you like to make a line-by line critique of the display? Bear in mind that when it was composed it focused on the ā€˜Byzantineā€™ rite churches (as stated), not any of the others.

I am quite curious about your take on it.
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I donā€™t really know. Itā€™s just the way the Roman Rite is described. The Eastern Church is described excellently, but it makes the Roman Rite out as if it were Protestant, you know, it only focusses on the ā€œSpirit of Vatican IIā€ kinda churches. As if all churches were built like that, itā€™s just lacklustre! Ah, but this is an EC thread, I donā€™t want to ruin it šŸ™‚

ā€¦and itā€™s unfortunately accurate about the current state of affairs:blush:(however disastrous they are, but things are getting better)
 
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Luvtosew said:
Catholicism. Can someone please tell me the main differences like in a list form.
Thank you.šŸ™‚
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Also remember that the traditions represented here are Latin and Byzantine (Constantinople) but there are others not contrasted so far, with significant differences.

Alexandrian (Coptic, Ethiopian)
Antiochene (Maronite, Syrian, Syro-Malankar)
Armenian
Assyrian (Chaldean, Syro-Malabar)
 
LoyalViews said:
You must be joking right? Thatā€™s accurate? Really?
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Reasonably so, albeit it uses the less traditional approaches to the Roman Mass as itā€™s counterpoint.

Each of the 6 rites has differences in the specific order. But all are composed of introductory prayers, a celebration of the Word including either an epistle reading or an old testament reading, or both, followed by an alleluia and a gospel reading, and an anaphora containing the institution narrative (albeit not explicitly in the Anaphora of Addai and Mari of the East Syrian/Chaldean/Assyrian Rite), then the communion of the clergy and then the faithful, then closing prayers.

Each Rite has its own system of canonical hours. Each has its own rubrics for how the liturgy is to be said, and how parishes are to be set up. Each Church (Remembering that there are 23 churches covering those 6 ritesā€¦) has its own liturgical calendar, but churches within a given rite will usually have very similar calendars.

The Specific prayers which are included in a given liturgy vary by rite, and by tradition within the rite, and by recension within the tradition, and by which form of the liturgy of a given recension is being used.
 
LoyalViews said:
I donā€™t really know. Itā€™s just the way the Roman Rite is described. The Eastern Church is described excellently, but it makes the Roman Rite out as if it were Protestant, you know, it only focusses on the ā€œSpirit of Vatican IIā€ kinda churches.
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Okay but your previous post made it seem like it was grossly misleading.
 
LoyalViews said:
Oh, Iā€™m sorry. Itā€™s really not what I meant šŸ˜Š

I was joking, though itā€™s hard to express something like that in text :o
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Iā€™m not joking.

I think the content of that flier is highly offensive, an insult to the modern RC Church, and 100% accurate. Itā€™s offensiveness is only eclipsed by the fact that Rome has left itself exposed to this sort of comparison for so long. Tragic.
 
mick321 said:
Iā€™m not joking.

I think the content of that flier is highly offensive, an insult to the modern RC Church, and 100% accurate. Itā€™s offensiveness is only eclipsed by the fact that Rome has left itself exposed to this sort of comparison for so long. Tragic.
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100% accurate. And that is the sad part. I donā€™t think itā€™s offensive, just misguided. Maybe the person who wrote it didnā€™t know much about the Roman Church? Only what he was told?
 
mick321 said:
Iā€™m not joking.

I think the content of that flier is highly offensive, an insult to the modern RC Church, and 100% accurate. Itā€™s offensiveness is only eclipsed by the fact that Rome has left itself exposed to this sort of comparison for so long. Tragic.
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I agree. But the sad thing here is that the flyer is comparing an abuse (mistaken to be the norm) in the Roman Church with what is actually the norm in the Churches of the Byzantine tradition. I also agree that it is sad that Rome has allowed these abuses to continue unchecked for so long. The Roman Mass in its current form is actually quite amazing when celebrated properly.
 
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