The Divine Liturgy

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I have been looking into Eastern Catholicism (not to switch rites but just to learn more about them) and was wondering if there was a book on the Divine Liturgy from a Eastern Catholic (as opposed to Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox) viewpoint.

I found this on Youtube and was wondering how much of it is in line with how Eastern Catholics celebrate the Divine Liturgy (since I believe this priest is Orthodox and not in communion with Rome).
youtube.com/watch?v=dBpGrZOR13Q

Thanks and God Bless!
 
The only difference you would see between an Eastern Orthodox and an Eastern Catholic celebration of the Divine Liturgy is that the EC’s commemorate the “Pope of Rome” while the EOs do not. Otherwise, they are (or are supposed to be) identical (though of course they will vary somewhat from church to church and rite to rite).

There are several YouTube videos specifically showing Eastern Catholic liturgies: here’s just one that I found: youtube.com/watch?v=L0FikzAOo8w

A good book that might be what you’re looking for is “The Eastern Catholic Churches: An Introduction to Their Worship and Spirituality (American Essays in Liturgy)” by Joan L. Roccasalvo.
 
YoungCatholic86 said:
I have been looking into Eastern Catholicism (not to switch rites but just to learn more about them) and was wondering if there was a book on the Divine Liturgy from a Eastern Catholic (as opposed to Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox) viewpoint.

I found this on Youtube and was wondering how much of it is in line with how Eastern Catholics celebrate the Divine Liturgy (since I believe this priest is Orthodox and not in communion with Rome).
youtube.com/watch?v=dBpGrZOR13Q

Thanks and God Bless!
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Light For Life: Part II The Mystery Celebrated (God With Us Publications) is used for adult catechesis.
 
YoungCatholic86 said:
I found this on Youtube and was wondering how much of it is in line with how Eastern Catholics celebrate the Divine Liturgy (since I believe this priest is Orthodox and not in communion with Rome).
youtube.com/watch?v=dBpGrZOR13Q
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Fr. Barnabas is only doing the Proskomedia/Prothesis/Liturgy of Preparation in the link you gave. In this video he is doing it out where people can watch him since this is a teaching. The Table of Oblation is normally back behind the iconostasis out of sight of anyone not in the Holy Place, sanctuary. The Proskomedia prayers are not normally heard by the faithful. Someone may be chanting the Third Hour in the church while the Proskomedia is going on behind the iconostasis and there are a few places where the priest will make a response to the chanter.

This seems like a nice teaching Fr Barnabas is offering his people. It would be good if this happened more often.

I think the Wikipedia article on Divine Liturgy is very good. It has many links to various aspects of the Liturgy. When there is a deacon, he also assists in the Proskomedia.

Fr Thomas Hopko’s basic teaching series in on the OCA website. If you go to Worship → The Divine Liturgy there is good information there. If you are interesed in a detailed, very intersting teaching on the DL, Fr Hopko is in the process of teaching this on Ancient Faith Radio, beginning with the clergy prayers before Liturgy. The series Worship in Spirit and Truth is now at the Little Entrance, episode #46.
 
YoungCatholic86 said:
I found this on Youtube and was wondering how much of it is in line with how Eastern Catholics celebrate the Divine Liturgy (since I believe this priest is Orthodox and not in communion with Rome).
youtube.com/watch?v=dBpGrZOR13Q
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There is (ideally) no difference between the Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy, other than the commemoration of the Pope of Rome. So really, a book on the DL from an Orthodox point of view should serve you just as well for learning about the Liturgy.

That’s a very interesting video, and I’d like to hear more from Fr. Barnabas. Incidentally, Fr. Barnabas’s lecture is actually about the Proskomedia, not the Divine Liturgy proper. The Proskomedia is a liturgy of preparation of the bread and wine that comes before the DL begins, at a side altar behind the iconostas. This often happens while the choir sings from Orthros, one of the hours of the Divine Office. Usually only the clergy and altar servers see the Proskomedia up close, so it’s nice that fr. Barnabas did this. As you can see, it is incredibly rich in meaning.
 
Here are several clips from from a Divine Liturgy at my Russian Greek-Catholic parish, St. Andrew’s near Los Angeles, on the feast of the Transfiguration a few years ago.

oltv.tv/id888.html
 
You won’t see this in most Byzantine Rite Eastern Catholic Churches, correct? Don’t most omit this service entirely due to Latinization?
 
It probably depends on which Church. I would think it would more likely be done in the Melkite and Russian Catholic Churches.
Alveus_Lacuna said:
You won’t see this in most Byzantine Rite Eastern Catholic Churches, correct? Don’t most omit this service entirely due to Latinization?
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Alveus_Lacuna said:
You won’t see this in most Byzantine Rite Eastern Catholic Churches, correct? Don’t most omit this service entirely due to Latinization?
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AnthonyJ said:
It probably depends on which Church. I would think it would more likely be done in the Melkite and Russian Catholic Churches.
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Interesting. I had a quick look at the PDF for the Ruthenian RDL and indeed I didn’t see it there, although it is in my old stand-by reference Byzantine Daily Worship. Anyway, it all leads this non-Byzantine to pose a question: if the Prothesis isn’t done, how and where is the oblation prepared?
 
malphono said:
Interesting. I had a quick look at the PDF for the Ruthenian RDL and indeed I didn’t see it there, although it is in my old stand-by reference Byzantine Daily Worship. Anyway, it all leads this non-Byzantine to pose a question: if the Prothesis isn’t done, how and where is the oblation prepared?
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I know some groups will use pre-cut prosphora but I find it hard to believe that they would omit the entire rite altogether. You’d think they would at least have to say the prayers that accompany the veiling of the oblation and the censing… :-/
 
Denho said:
I know some groups will use pre-cut prosphora but I find it hard to believe that they would omit the entire rite altogether. You’d think they would at least have to say the prayers that accompany the veiling of the oblation and the censing… :-/
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One would think. 😛 Then again, we know from practical experience that even our residual “mini-prep” usually gets short-shrift. 🤷
 
In the Russian Greek-Catholic Church is is definitely done. It’s really not possible to omit it completely. In Ruthenian parishes I’ve seen a somewhat shortened version done (with pre-cut prosphora.)
 
My Melkite parish has the Prothesis. The prosphora is intact until the priest divides it according to the service. 🙂
 
As a Ruthenian Catholic Deacon of the Eparchy of Parma who has served in two of the other eparchies and who served as an altar server for many years before my ordination, I can say with complete certainty that Prothesis has been done at every Divine Liturgy that I have ever attended. I have never even heard of a Divine Liturgy without the Prothesis. Now, it is done behind the Iconostasis and is sometimes done well before the “begining” of the Divine Liturgy so it may not be seen, but it happens. I have heard of the use of “pre cut” particles, but I have never seen their use. It seems to have been a problem that is dying out.
 
Alveus_Lacuna said:
You won’t see this in most Byzantine Rite Eastern Catholic Churches, correct? Don’t most omit this service entirely due to Latinization?
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No, few omit it, and when they do, it’s liturgical abuse.

I hear it every week during third hour. Normally you won’t see it, because the iconostasis is closed and it’s done behind the iconostasis on a side table.

The Ruthenians allow use of precuts for the particles and for the communion of the people, but except in emergencies, a prosphora loaf is to be used for at least the lamb.

I’ve seen some priests do proskomedia …
1 - immediately before liturgy, with no hours.
2 - before Matins
3 - between matins and liturgy, no third hour
4 - between matins and liturgy, during third hour by a cantor.
5 - before third hour, which was lead by the priest
6 - between priest-lead third hour and liturgy.
7 - during third hour which was lead by a different priest

And a historical Note: The romans moved the prothesis into the main body somewhere between 1200 AD and 1400 AD; the Dominican missal, which is essentially a 1200’s era version of the Roman missal, still has the preparations outside the mass proper, and in paraliturgical form in 2013…
 
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