The DNC's moral relativism

[1AugustSon7]

How about the RNC’s consistantly pro-death penalty stance? seems to run counter to Church teaching (from The CCC):

Quoting what is perhaps the single most controversial teaching found in the CCC to defend your position would not seem to be the wisest policy. That teaching is nowhere claimed to be infallible and the Church’s Tradition and past Teaching itself provide a consistent contrary example. At best, such is a Vatican policy.

The Church had nearly two-thousand years to inform Christendom that the practise of putting certain offenders to death (such as traitors, murderers and the like) was evil or immoral. She never did.

Further, it’s absurd to argue that at any time it was somehow impossible or even impractical to jail or confine people for life: it was always possible. Jails, dungeons and guards were never wanting and certainly never impractical or impossible in any period since at least the time of Christ; nay, for even a long time before that.

 

[livingwordunity]

There has been a specific prohibition of Catholics joining the Masons.

The Catholic Church has a reason for the prohibition. It’s wasn’t because the name “Mason” sounds scary. Catholics were prohibited from joining the Masons because their official beliefs are not compatible with the Catholic faith. The DNC’s official beliefs are not compatible with the Catholic faith either, and that’s the point.

 

[livingwordunity]

How about the RNC’s consistantly pro-death penalty stance? seems to run counter to Church teaching (from The CCC):

1. The Catholic Church doesn’t teach that the death penalty is always evil. In fact, the CCC teaches that we even have a duty to self-defense and defense of family and country.
2. Not all Republicans are for the death penalty.
3. Some, like me, are for or against the death penalty depending on the circumstances
4. Obama (the king of the liberals) is not always against the death penalty since he took credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden and celebrated the brutal killing of Moammar Gadhafi.

 

[JackQ]

The Catholic Church has a reason for the prohibition. It’s wasn’t because the name “Mason” sounds scary. Catholics were prohibited from joining the Masons because their official beliefs are not compatible with the Catholic faith. The DNC’s official beliefs are not compatible with the Catholic faith either, and that’s the point.

The point you keep missing is that you are not the Magisterium. You can’t decide on your own what is to be prohibited to Catholics, even if you think you can construct an argument for it. What I hope no one is missing is your palpable political agenda.

 

[JNdoum]

Send me a private message. There is such a thing starting up now.

Could you please put up a thread or post about the thing you were discussing? It sounds very interesting.

 

[_Abyssinia]

The answer is a NEW political movement or party that has the parts of the Democrat Party that attract Catholic and other votes (pro-worker, pro-labor, pro-union, pro-Just Wage, pro-equal human dignity of all people whether rich or poor or middle class, etc.), while also holding to full Pro-Life principles.

Such a third party or movement would either put the Democrat Party out of business, or would force them to change their Pro-Choice stance.

The official teachings of Catholic Social Doctrine really ARE both Pro-Union, Pro-Just Wage, Pro-Just War, Pro-Equal Human Dignity of All, Pro-Social Security, Pro-Universal Healthcare, while at the SAME TIME also being full Pro-Life.

What we have now in the US is on party that is Pro-Life, but Pro-Greed, and anti-Union, anti-Just Wage, anti-Equal Human Dignity of All (Rich, Poor and Middle Class),…

…and other party that is Anti-Life, Pro-Lust, but pro-Union, pro-Just Wage, Pro-Equal Human Dignity of All (Rich, Poor and Middle Class).

There is no party accepts all of Catholic Social Doctrine. So, this creates an opening, an opportunity.

For much of American history the two major parties were the Whig Party and the Democrat Party. The Whig Party suddenly disappeared in the 1850s and the Republican Party moved into its place. Something like that can happen again.

Somebody: Start this new party! I’ll be your first member!

Political parties being too closely linked with unions is not supported by Catholic teaching:
Though unions ought to have a social role and a political voice, they are not “political parties,” ought to avoid the quest for political power, ought not to be “too closely linked” to political parties, and at the same time ought not to be forced to submit to the “decisions of political parties.” They ought to be independent from the political process, and never “become an instrument for other purposes.” Their role is to make the political arena “sensitive to labor problems,” and–in a manner independent of partisan spirit–help the political process include the rights of workers as part of the political mix. (Compendium, No. 307)

If unions become instruments of political parties, or if political parties become instruments of unions, there will necessarily be imbalance. Unions in such cases “easily lose contact with their specific role, which is to secure the just rights of workers within the framework of the common good of the whole of society.” (Compendium, No. 307)

 

[LeafByNiggle]

?.. the practise of putting certain offenders to death (such as traitors, murderers and the like)…
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Keep in mind that one country’s traitor is another country’s hero. Imagine how a German who betrays the Nazis during WW2 would appear to the allies. So being a traitor is not necessarily an immorality whose execution the Church should necessarily support.

 

[livingwordunity]

Political parties being too closely linked with unions is not supported by Catholic teaching:
Though unions ought to have a social role and a political voice, they are not “political parties,” ought to avoid the quest for political power, ought not to be “too closely linked” to political parties, and at the same time ought not to be forced to submit to the “decisions of political parties.” They ought to be independent from the political process, and never “become an instrument for other purposes.” Their role is to make the political arena “sensitive to labor problems,” and–in a manner independent of partisan spirit–help the political process include the rights of workers as part of the political mix. (Compendium, No. 307)

If unions become instruments of political parties, or if political parties become instruments of unions, there will necessarily be imbalance. Unions in such cases “easily lose contact with their specific role, which is to secure the just rights of workers within the framework of the common good of the whole of society.” (Compendium, No. 307)

Yep. The DNC has a long list of official policies and actions that run contrary to the Catholic faith.

 

[JackQ]

Could you please put up a thread or post about the thing you were discussing? It sounds very interesting.

I think it would violate forum rules if I did.

 

[livingwordunity]

I think it would violate forum rules if I did.

I showed how the DNC’s official policy is hostile to the most basic Catholic teachings on faith and morality. You claim that that RNC is no different, but there is no evidence of your claim, no official RNC statement that contradicts the infallible teachings of the Magisterium. By contrast, the DNC has issued official statements combined with aggressive legal actions to force Catholics to violate their conscience. The DNC is forcing people to choose between government laws and their Catholic faith which is unprecedented in American history.

 

[JackQ]

I showed how the DNC’s official policy is hostile to the most basic Catholic teachings on faith and morality. You claim that that RNC is no different, but there is no evidence of your claim, no official RNC statement that contradicts the infallible teachings of the Magisterium. By contrast, the DNC has issued official statements combined with aggressive legal actions to force Catholics to violate their conscience. The DNC is forcing people to choose between government laws and their Catholic faith which is unprecedented in American history.

Obama is forcing people to choose between government laws and their Catholic faith. I haven’t claimed anything about the Republican Party. What I am claiming is that you are using religion to try and get people to vote the way you want them to, and I think that’s improper on more than one level.

 

[andrewstx]

All right, I’m just going to come out and say this. First of all, I thought the moderators have been telling us to stop talking about this stuff. Second of all, while I certainly am pro-life and am opposed to the HHS contraception mandate, I would very much appreciate it if certain individuals would quit coming here and elsewhere for the purpose of turning the Catholic Church into a department of the Republican Party.

Well, that’s about it.

AMEN. Niether party is consistently pro-life.

The democrats allow abortion, but the support AFDC, universal health care, tend to oppose exections.

And the republicans deny abortion. but support wars, exections, and oppose health care that is not paid for by the individual.

Both parties have problems supporting life completely, and the republicans are not the party of God.

 

[livingwordunity]

AMEN. Niether party is consistently pro-life.

The DNC has an official policy that is contrary to the Catholic Church, the RNC does not.

In their official statement of who they are (see post #6), the DNC condemns the RNC for being Pro-Life and vows not to be Pro-Life like the RNC.

The democrats…tend to oppose exections.

Is that why Obama is bragging so much about killing Osama bin Ladin? And is that why Hilary Clinton thought it was so funny that Muammar Gaddafi was sodomized and executed without a trial after his capture?

 

[Et_Cetera]

AMEN. Niether party is consistently pro-life.

The democrats allow abortion, but the support AFDC, universal health care, tend to oppose exections.

And the republicans deny abortion. but support wars, exections, and oppose health care that is not paid for by the individual.

Both parties have problems supporting life completely, and the republicans are not the party of God.

Thank you.

Personally, I think it’s time for someone to take a look at the OP. Seems like a trolling/unnecessarily harsh account.

 

[livingwordunity]

Personally, I think it’s time for someone to take a look at the OP. Seems like a trolling/unnecessarily harsh account.

I never said that the RNC is the party of God only that the DNC’s officially stated doctrines are definitely not compatible with following the teachings of the Catholic Church. I think it’s time that you look the evidence of the DNC’s officially stated doctrines instead of ignoring it. The DNC fully admits to their agenda in their official public statements, so I don’t know how anyone can’t see this unless they simply choose to close their eyes or unless they agree with the DNC and not with the Catholic Church. I don’t know how a Catholic can justify in their mind belonging to an organization that hates and attacks the Catholic Church. Jesus said we can’t serve two masters without eventually hating one of them. I used to be a Democrat until I realized that the DNC has an agenda that, on many levels, goes directly against the teachings of the Catholic Church. I made my choice, and it wasn’t the DNC.

 

[JackQ]

AMEN. Niether party is consistently pro-life.

The democrats allow abortion, but the support AFDC, universal health care, tend to oppose exections.

And the republicans deny abortion. but support wars, exections, and oppose health care that is not paid for by the individual.

Both parties have problems supporting life completely, and the republicans are not the party of God.

Perhaps the the most pernicious result of this insidiousness is not only that the positions of the Republican Party begin to trump the teachings of the Church, but that people get sucked into the delusion that being a good Republican satisfies the requirement of being a good Christian.

 

[andrewstx]

The DNC has an official policy that is contrary to the Catholic Church, the RNC does not.

In their official statement of who they are (see post #6), the DNC condemns the RNC for being Pro-Life and vows not to be Pro-Life like the RNC.

Is that why Obama is bragging so much about killing Osama bin Ladin? And is that why Hilary Clinton thought it was so funny that Muammar Gaddafi was sodomized and executed without a trial after his capture?

Livingword… I saw you only chose to quote my post selectively and ignored the rest, not kosher.
The fact is the right supports life only to the point of birth and then you are on your own. The right opposes afdc, universal health care, social security SSI.medicaid and medicare.

The Ryan plan seeks to scrap all of that, leaving support for life only at the beggining. During Bushes term he had the entire government at his disposal, both houses of congress, the judiciary and of course the White House. Bush had it in his power to completely rid us of abortion, and yet did nothing.

 

[livingwordunity]

The fact is the right supports life only to the point of birth and then you are on your own.

That’s not true. Conservatives such as Rick Santorum were fighting for the life of Terri Schiavo while liberals were the ones who made damn sure that she was put to death. And Obama is taking full credit for the death of Osama bin Ladan, so they are not against the death penalty. The DNC’s idea of helping the poor is to get rid of them through abortions. They make the cost of living so high that all we will be left with is the rich while the rest become slaves to the welfare system. Hollywood liberals, DC liberal politicians and the super rich liberal elites talk about saving the environment while flying around everywhere in jets. The DNC doesn’t have the moral high ground anywhere.

 

[georgemiller]

It seems to me that conservatives which are mostly republican are for the most part striving to conserve christian historical values, while liberals who are for the mosst part democrates, are striving to be liberated from historical traditional Christian values. Take for example the democratic party position on abortion, gay behavior, ect.

 

[livingwordunity]

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