The documentary hypothesis

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I’m not sure how much it’s been discussed on the forums, but it’s a complicated topic. What is the Catholic Church’s position on the documentary hypothesis? Couldn’t the authors, even though spaced out over a long period of time, still be inspired by God?

Since it is a complex topic, Church documents (if any) would be helpful so this thread isn’t just pure speculation (of course, discussion is alway good too).
 
Here’s a traditional Catholic response, from the Pontifical Biblical Commission under Pope St. Pius X (1906):

Question I. Whether the arguments accumulated by critics to impugn 1997 the Mosaic authenticity of the Sacred Books, which are designated by the name of Pentateuch, are of such weight that, in spite of the very many indications of both Testaments taken together, the continuous conviction of the Jewish people, also the unbroken tradition of the Church in addition to the internal evidences drawn from the text itself, they justify affirming that these books were not written by Moses, but were composed for the most part from sources later than the time of Moses?

Reply: No.

In other words, the “JEDP” hypothesis in its most liberal form, which says that none of the texts of the Pentateuch were actually written by Moses, is rejected.

Question II. Whether the Mosaic authenticity of the Pentateuch neces-1998 sarily demands such a redaction of the whole work that it must be neld absolutely that Moses wrote all and each book with his own hand, or dictated them to copyists; or, whether also the hypothesis can be permitted of those who think that the work was conceived by him under the influence of divine inspiration, and was committed to another or several to be put into writing, but in such manner that they rendered his thought faithfully, wrote nothing contrary to his wish, omitted nothing; and, finally, when the work was composed in this way, approved by Moses as its chief and inspired author, it was published under his name.

Reply: No, for the first part; yes, for the second.

In other words, Moses needn’t have written it all himself, but could have had the help of older or contemporary sources - say, the histories in Genesis - but was the final editor, the chief author, and gave it his “imprimatur”.

Question Ill. Whether without prejudice to the Mosaic authenticity of the Pentateuch it can be granted that Moses for the composition of the work made use of sources, namely written documents or oral tradition, from which, according to the peculiar goal set before him, and under the influence of divine inspiration, he made some borrowings, and these, arranged word for word according to sense or amplified, he inserted into the work itself?

Reply: Yes.

In other words, there could have been documents, but these would all predate Moses, and he could have arranged them, explained them, or provided glosses.

Question IV. Whether, safeguarding substantially the Mosaic authenticity and the integrity of the Pentateuch, it can be admitted that in such a long course of ages it underwent some modifications, for example: additions made after the death of Moses, or by an inspired author, or glosses and explanations inserted in the texts, certain words and forms of the antiquated language translated into more modern language; finally false readings to be ascribed to the errors of copyists, which should be examined and passed upon according to the norms of textual criticism.

Reply: Yes, the judgment of the Church being maintained.

In other words, later additions - such as glosses, updating of outdated language, or inspired additions such as the account of Moses’ death - are considered possible.
 
Well, I read some essays a while back on biblical interpretation in the Jewish tradition, and the underlying assumption in them was that the documentary hypothesis was valid. I thought the essays had a liberal bent and I wasn’t sure what the Church’s take on the matter was.
 
Well, I read some essays a while back on biblical interpretation in the Jewish tradition, and the underlying assumption in them was that the documentary hypothesis was valid. I thought the essays had a liberal bent and I wasn’t sure what the Church’s take on the matter was.
With all due respect to our Jewish neighbors, that may be part of the problem.

Peace,
Ed
 
Well, I read some essays a while back on biblical interpretation in the Jewish tradition, and the underlying assumption in them was that the documentary hypothesis was valid. I thought the essays had a liberal bent and I wasn’t sure what the Church’s take on the matter was.
I was taught it in Catholic Biblical School through the Archdiocese of Denver under Archbishop Chaput. It’s referred to in the notes to the NAB on the UCCB website the Vatican-approved for liturgy translation for the United States. It is unpopular with those who are wedded to literal interpretations of Scripture which the Catholic Church, as a bastion of intellectualism in Scripture scholarship, is not.

You might want to search the term at the Vatican website and see if you come up with any references.
 
It is unpopular with those who are wedded to literal interpretations of Scripture which the Catholic Church, as a bastion of intellectualism in Scripture scholarship, is not.
The Catholic Church, a bastion of intellectualism and scripture in scholarship, had supported the Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch until 1906 (see the findings of the Pontifical Bible Commission of 1906), then it adopted the view first advanced by the Atheist Spinoza and later developed by the liberal Lutheran scholars Graf and Wellhausen. Though many scholars, including those in the Catholic Church, jumped on the bandwagon for a time most have been abandoning this unbiblical belief for the last 30 years.

Thankfully, Jimmy Akin of Catholic Answers both thoroughly reviews and artfully refutes this new belief in January’s 2013 edition of Catholic Answers magazine in his article ‘Who Wrote the Books of Moses?’

Sadly, had the Catholic Church held true to both scripture and tradition in its support for Mosaic authorship it never would have adopted this heretical belief. Hopefully other Catholic scholars will join Jimmy Akin in thoroughly rejecting the documentary hypothesis and give greater heed to scripture and tradition.
 
Hopefully other Catholic scholars will join Jimmy Akin in thoroughly rejecting the documentary hypothesis and give greater heed to scripture and tradition.
With all due respect, hopefully they do not. While Akin is no doubt well-versed on the issues of modern scholarship, his work often seems as if he is still an evangelical out to prove the Bible in every situation and from every attack. The main problem with rejecting the documentary hypothesis is that it confuses modern and ancient definitions of authorship. For example, it was not uncommon in the ancient world for someone to write something as someone else if it fit under their system of thought.

There is nothing inherently heretical with the documentary hypothesis (unless you are wed to the idea of modern authorship standards applying to the past). I was in RCIA for a few months and on a few occasions a priest came to talk to the class; he was a fairly traditionalist man and he saw no problems with the theory. But I think there is a growing problem with artificially labeling anyone who accepts the documentary hypothesis as a liberal.
 
Thankfully, Jimmy Akin of Catholic Answers both thoroughly reviews and artfully refutes this new belief in January’s 2013 edition of Catholic Answers magazine in his article ‘Who Wrote the Books of Moses?’
And thankfully, Jimmy Akin, as lovely a person as I am sure he is, is also neither the Pope, the Magisterium or any Bishop. We are not called to replace teachings of these with our own opinions. You may adhere to literalist views, through the charity of the Church.
Sadly, had the Catholic Church held true to both scripture and tradition in its support for Mosaic authorship it never would have adopted this heretical belief.
Did you just accuse the Pope and the Magisterium of heresy? The Church decides what Scripture is Canon, the Church alone interprets it correctly.
 
Sadly, had the Catholic Church held true to both scripture and tradition in its support for Mosaic authorship it never would have adopted this heretical belief. Hopefully other Catholic scholars will join Jimmy Akin in thoroughly rejecting the documentary hypothesis and give greater heed to scripture and tradition.
The Navarre Bible Commentary is far from liberal, and they use the documentary hypothesis in their commentary on the Pentateuch. So let us not throw that word ‘heretical’ around at things we don’t agree with.
 
Did you just accuse the Pope and the Magisterium of heresy? The Church decides what Scripture is Canon, the Church alone interprets it correctly.
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand how the Church could have been wrong about the Mosaic authorship for nearly two millenia then became “correct” after it threw both sacred tradition and scripture under the bus only a hundred years ago when it adopted a view developed by biblical critics. Given that many scholars (including Kikawada, Quin, Cassuto and Rendsburg) have written books effectively debunking this flimsy theory, insisting on going against sacred tradition and scripture seems truly insane.
 
Does the Pontifical Biblical Commission of 1906 under the rules for it at that time given to it by Pope Pius X constitute in its findings the teaching of the Catholic Church’s ordinary magisterium?
 
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand how the Church could have been wrong about the Mosaic authorship for nearly two millenia then became “correct” after it threw both sacred tradition and scripture under the bus only a hundred years ago when it adopted a view developed by biblical critics. Given that many scholars (including Kikawada, Quin, Cassuto and Rendsburg) have written books effectively debunking this flimsy theory, insisting on going against sacred tradition and scripture seems truly insane.
So you are accusing the Pope and the Magesterium of heresy.

The Deposit of Faith never changes and has been fully made, but that doesn’t mean we understand fully. As we learn more, we understand more.

Moses didn’t write anything at all, most likely, and while the early Church took that tradition form the Jews, today they don’t believe it either, except for the more fundamentalist among them.

There’s nothing at all flimsy about the hypothesis, which should actually be called a theory because it explains a lot of anomalies in the text. Like the different numbers of animals Noah was to take on the Arc, for instance, or the two creation stories. But mostly it explains the different ways of referring to God and the different language useage. Only you have to actually be a brilliant Hebrew/Biblical scholar to really understand it.

Moses wandered around in the desert for most of his life, and never made it to the Promised Land. There is no record of him having ever written a single word, as far as I know. All this tradition is just that.

The Church also said for a very long time that the earth was the stationary center of the universe. The Church made Galileo publicly say that the earth does not rotate. The Church was wrong. Moses didn’t write these books and the hands of several authors are fairly obvious. Do you have to believe that? No. But no one has to subscribe to a theory of authorship that the Church, herself, disagrees with, either.
 
Were Jesus and the apostles participants in or victims of this grand conspiracy?
 
Will anyone answer my question about the Pontifical Biblical Commission?
 
Does the Pontifical Biblical Commission of 1906 under the rules for it at that time given to it by Pope Pius X constitute in its findings the teaching of the Catholic Church’s ordinary magisterium?
From the first link below (last paragraph) it appears that today it is viewed as ordinary and not extraordinary. However, the second link implies that the issue is complicated and the PBC may have initially been thought to exercise extraordinary or near-extraordinary authority. It goes on to reference a pronouncement by Pope Pius X which seems to support the idea that the PBC initially had extraordinary teaching authority. My own opinion, which is fallible :), is that Pope Pius X intended the findings of the PBC to be infallible in his anti-modernist crusade, though whether or not he was actually speaking ex cathedra or whether or not he was completely definitive in his statements is a matter of debate.

newadvent.org/cathen/02557a.htm

catholicbiblestudent.com/2008/03/early-responsa-of-pontifical-biblical.html
 
So you are accusing the Pope and the Magesterium of heresy.

The Deposit of Faith never changes and has been fully made, but that doesn’t mean we understand fully. As we learn more, we understand more.

Moses didn’t write anything at all, most likely, and while the early Church took that tradition form the Jews, today they don’t believe it either, except for the more fundamentalist among them.

There’s nothing at all flimsy about the hypothesis, which should actually be called a theory because it explains a lot of anomalies in the text. Like the different numbers of animals Noah was to take on the Arc, for instance, or the two creation stories. But mostly it explains the different ways of referring to God and the different language useage. Only you have to actually be a brilliant Hebrew/Biblical scholar to really understand it.

Moses wandered around in the desert for most of his life, and never made it to the Promised Land. There is no record of him having ever written a single word, as far as I know. All this tradition is just that.

The Church also said for a very long time that the earth was the stationary center of the universe. The Church made Galileo publicly say that the earth does not rotate. The Church was wrong. Moses didn’t write these books and the hands of several authors are fairly obvious. Do you have to believe that? No. But no one has to subscribe to a theory of authorship that the Church, herself, disagrees with, either.
The problem with your idea is that when Christ refers to the Law He says, “Moses told you…” If Moses did not substantially write the Law then Christ spoke in error, and since Christ declared He said nothing except what He was given to say by His Father then that means that Christ erred and the Father erred, or more specifically Christ is not God and we are all going to Hell.

You see this is not an issue of defending the Church this is an issue of taking God at His word. Let all the word be wrong and God be right and the wisdom of men be foolishness. How can you possibly know there are obviously multiple authors when there are clearly updates and glosses in the texts and Moses was obviously working from extant material as well as being divinely inspired.

We can’t know for sure how the original text read and even the most conservative scholar will have to admit this if he is honest.

But to defend the Church at the expense of Christ is to deify the Church and throw down Christ and I don’t care what Council or Pope has said we can’t do that.

God Bless
 
modern Jewish commentaries don’t take sides on the issue, except to point out the arguments for and against Mosaic authorship and the D-hypothesis.

For the sake of completeness, in case it hasn’t been said, the book of Genesis – as it is – is considered inspired. In a real sense, it doesn’t matter how the debate turns out otherwise.

Moses doesn’t show up until the book of Exodus. His existence is put into what we seem to accept as the correct historical context.

as such, if he did indeed write Genesis, then he must have done so under direct divine inspiration.

The same Jewish commentaries I referred to above say that the D-hyp will never be resolved completely.

Did a previous post say the D-hyp has been disproven? That only makes the literary analysis more intriguing. Why would “Moses” have written Genesis the way he did, with conflicting accounts snarled up together? Why would there be so many archaic names for God in Genesis, and nowhere else?
 
The problem with your idea is that when Christ refers to the Law He says, “Moses told you…”
You’ll have to provide a citation because I do not recall Jesus ever saying “Moses told you…” He did say this:
He said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the law of Moses and in the prophets and psalms must be fulfilled.”
That’s LK 24:44 - The Pentateuch was called the Mosaic Law or the Law if Moses. Jesus simply referred to those books by the name that the people would recognize. Jesus is not testifying to authorship. He is distinguishing sets of writings, Law, Psalms, Prophets.

However, even if He had said “Moses tell you…” it would still only be a reference to where in the Sacred Scrolls the reference is, not an affirmation of authorship.
You see this is not an issue of defending the Church this is an issue of taking God at His word.
No, it’s actually an issue of humility and pride amongst people who think they can interpret and comment on Scripture in a way superior to the Magisterium and the Pope and the texts approved for use by the Vatican. Do you seriously think no one in the Vatican is familiar enough with what Jesus said as reported in the Gospels that they didn’t dismiss your concern long ago?

BTW, Jesus also said the mustard seed was the smallest of all seeds. It isn’t. Jesus wasn’t teaching biology or doing Scripture scholarship, He was conveying the Truth of God and Eternal Life. He was speaking to people in ways they would understand. He placed authority with the Church so that as people’s ability to understand changed, the Church could deliver the message in new ways for them.

The Truth never changes. Which doesn’t make the mustard seed smallest, that’s just some useless factoid. Just like the fact that all of Scripture has been rewritten and redacted and brought to the place God wished it to be for us through whatever human agents He chose before the authority that He endowed declared the Canon.

But to defend the Church at the expense of Christ…

I defend truth. And your misunderstanding is an egregious insult.
 
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