The earth is only 6000 years old (II)

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StAnastasia said:
No, there are Buddhist nuns – we have them in my city, and I’ve met them elsewhere.

"A nun is a woman who has taken special vows committing her to a religious life. She may be an ascetic who voluntarily chooses to leave mainstream society and live her life in prayer and contemplation in a monastery or convent. The term “nun” is applicable to Catholics – both eastern and western traditions – Orthodox Christians, Anglicans, Lutherans, Jains, Buddhists, and Taoists. While in common usage the terms nun and sister are often used interchangeably, in some cases they are differentiated, a nun being a religious female who lives a contemplative cloistered life of prayer and meditation, while a sister, in the Christian religions, lives an active vocation of service to the needy, sick, poor, and uneducated. "
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Thanks; I never knew that!

Beth
 
rossum said:
Not especially, she is just another human being and worthy of the respect that is due to any human being.

No, there are three types: Catholic Buddhist nuns, Orthodox Buddhist nuns and Protestant Buddhist nuns. 😃

Yes. When the Japanese were persecuting Christianity the underground Christians adapted a version of Kannon (the Bodhisattva Avalokita) to make it look as if they were Buddhists when they were actually Christians. There is a picture at: Maria-Kannon.

rossum
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Cool!! I just Yahooed and came tio this site and it seemed “knowledgeable”. Let me know if there is a subscription about buddhist around here; if nothing else I could observe since I would not have much to add since I know little to nothing concerning that religion. I don’t accept emails inside the forum, but you can always send one from the profile with a link to my outside email if such a subscription becomes avaiable.

Beth
 
hugh_r.miller said:
Here are a few of the references for dinosaur depictions that archaeologists and geologists have discovered:

***Ancient Angkor and Angkor Cities and Temples, Claude Jacques, French archaeologist with photo of depiction of stegosaurus on Ta Prohm temple. ***

http://www.mokelembembe.com/ [live dinosaur from Africa ?]

http://www.dinosaursandman.com/ Dennis Swift site with dinosaur depictions from Mexico, Peru, Israel, Syria etc.

http://www.jackcuozzo.com/bernifal.html cave in France {possbile face off?}

http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com/2007/08/stegosaurus-in-cambodia.htm
[Cambodian dinosaur, creation and a Chesterton quote on democracy and voting]

http://www.creationism.org/crimea/engl/al1.htm [St. John Damacene on dragons]

http://www.dinosaursandman.com/ [go to research findings for depictions]

http://skepticwiki.org/
http://www.dinosaursandman.com/research/THE_DINOSAUS_OF_WHITE_RIVER_CANYON.pdf

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i4/bishop.asp [15depictions

Big Jack Horner sat in a corner**
scraping a dinosaur bone.**
Some soft tissue appeared
And he said, "Just what I feared!
**Evolution’s long ages are gone!" **
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Curiously interesting, but nonetheless non-compelling. The art work being interpreted has about the same degree of similarity to dinosaurs as does Erich Däniken’s artifacts to indications of a higher technological civilization. Where does that leave the interpretive process?

The imagination must fill in the alleged “dinosaur” depictions where exact representation fails. The contribution of imagination needed varies from little to much. For example, the rock art rubbing of an alleged Triceratops petroglyph would seem to require a good dose of imagination in the interpretive process.

Seeing dinosaurs like this ends being non-discriminating in regard to primitive and even ancient cultures. Every mythical monster will then be interpreted as a dinosaur, which is an imaginative reconstruction that fails to take into account the imagination of primitive man. And St. George’s Dragon is now a dinosaur. LOL

And what about ancient Chinese dragons? Were these dinosaur representations also? It is difficult to understand how dinosaurs could be signs of benevolence and good luck as were the Chinese dragons.

So far, this dino hunt for modern dinosaurs exhibits a van Däniken-like complex of seeing only what one is predisposed to see. That some dinosaurs or dinosaur-like creatures continued to exist until modern times is very likely. However, I see no convincing evidence to over-ride the belief that the majority of dinosaurs died out tens of millions of years ago.
 
itinerant1 said:
The imagination must fill in the alleged “dinosaur” depictions where exact representation fails. The contribution of imagination needed varies from little to much. For example, the rock art rubbing of an alleged Triceratops petroglyph would seem to require a good dose of imagination in the interpretive process.
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We have reconstructed dinosaurs from fossils. If a Triceratops skull weathered out of some rock then we can easily understand someone drawing a picture of it.

I have seen suggestions that legends of huge birds, Roc or Thunderbird, were inspired by finding Theropod tracks, which can indeed look like the tracks of a very large bird.

rossum
 
rossum said:
We have reconstructed dinosaurs from fossils. If a Triceratops skull weathered out of some rock then we can easily understand someone drawing a picture of it.

I have seen suggestions that legends of huge birds, Roc or Thunderbird, were inspired by finding Theropod tracks, which can indeed look like the tracks of a very large bird.

rossum
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That was the other possibility I had forgotten to mention. Who knows how many primitives came upon exposed fossils. Such finds would certainly fuel their imaginations about ancient creatures and eventually get depicted in various mediums.
 
rossum said:
We have reconstructed dinosaurs from fossils. If a Triceratops skull weathered out of some rock then we can easily understand someone drawing a picture of it.

I have seen suggestions that legends of huge birds, Roc or Thunderbird, were inspired by finding Theropod tracks, which can indeed look like the tracks of a very large bird.

rossum
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That is complete nonsense. There is a depiction of dinosaurs with frills and a fully flesh covered dinosaur on a vase. Dragons were definitely dinosaurs.

God bless,
Ed
 
The following is 100% credible:

genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm

I have spent decades studying myths, legends and fringe literature. I work with artists and writers all the time and I understand how things are “made up.” I understand human imagination. These depictions point to a physical reality that people knew about at the time.

God bless,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
The following is 100% credible:

genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm

I have spent decades studying myths, legends and fringe literature. I work with artists and writers all the time and I understand how things are “made up.” I understand human imagination. These depictions point to a physical reality that people knew about at the time.

God bless,
Ed
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Many ancient dragons, which you assert to be dinosaurs, were fire-breathing creatures. If you are to accept the legends and lore as representative of reality, you cannot dismiss the smoke and fire, and remain consistent in your contention.

The written accounts of ancient monsters appears as no more than folklore, Cf. Herodotus’ investigations.

Today’s Nessi, by some descriptions, resembles a plesiosaur-like creature. Perhaps a plesiosaur-like creature survived, and som others, but that does not warrant a generalization to every monster story as a reference to a dinosaur.

We currently have the infamous Komodo Dragon:
http://www.komodotours.com/images/komodo-dragon.gif

Also, recent and remote ancestors of crocodiles, alligators, and caimans exhibit some interesting physical appearances.

It should be noted that the great biologists of antiquity new nothing of dinosaurs, though they were familiar with legends and folklore. Aristotle had animal specimens collected by many people and from distant regions. But he knew nothing of dinosaurs, even though he was the greatest of biologists (for over two millenniums); as Darwin said, “Linnaeus and Cuvier have been my two gods, though in different ways, but they were mere schoolboys to old Aristotle.”
 
itinerant1 said:
Many ancient dragons, which you assert to be dinosaurs, were fire-breathing creatures. If you are to accept the legends and lore as representative of reality, you cannot dismiss the smoke and fire, and remain consistent in your contention.
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Itinerant1, why would Ed dismiss smoke and fire as being real? Why are they inconsistent with dragons?
 
itinerant1 said:
Dr. Gary S. Hurd appears to disagree: Dino Blood Redux

The saga continues…
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Look at the dates of the publications. Which is the more recent of the two dates of publication.

The one you mentioned or the one from Harvard.

harvardscience.harvard.edu/an…rved-over-time
Go figure! This little rhyme is valid and so are the C-14 dates for the Bone collagen and the calcium carbonate fraction of the other Triceratops and Hadrosaur. IDvolution Ye, descent from a common ancestor :o
Big Jack Horner sat in a corner*
scraping a dinosaur bone.**
Some soft tissue appeared
And he said, "Just what I feared!
**Evolution’s long ages are gone!" **
 
hugh_r.miller said:
Look at the dates of the publications. Which is the more recent of the two dates of publication.

The one you mentioned or the one from Harvard.

harvardscience.harvard.edu/an…rved-over-time

Go figure! This little rhyme is valid and so are the C-14 dates for the Bone collagen and the calcium carbonate fraction of the other Triceratops and Hadrosaur. IDvolution Ye, descent from a common ancestor :o

Big Jack Horner sat in a corner
scraping a dinosaur bone.
Some soft tissue appeared
**And he said, "Just what I feared!
***Evolution’s long ages are gone!" ***
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The dates did not escape my attention. You would not want to make the argument that the latest study in any field must be right by the very fact that it is the latest, would you?

Not being an expert in molecular archaelology or some related field, I cannot critique the issue. If the Harvard report is correct, so be it. I have no problem with what is deemed to be the best interpretation of the facts.

Whatever the analysis of the samples show, it certainly does not follow from the results that the Aztec’s preferred mode of transportation was the Apatosaurus, or that fire-breathing dragons were actually dinosaurs, or that the world is only 6,000 years old, or that evolution never happened, and so on.

In the final analysis, you have no real argument with solid support.
 
Interesting thread. I see I have a lot of catholics that can hold my view on the matter.

This is one of the reasons I even came here. Any religion that wants to defend a position that the earth is young is not a viable option for me.

Thank you to all theists of all stripes for being able to have the freedom to accept things we do know.
 
itinerant1 said:
The dates did not escape my attention. You would not want to make the argument that the latest study in any field must be right by the very fact that it is the latest, would you?

Not being an expert in molecular archaelology or some related field, I cannot critique the issue. If the Harvard report is correct, so be it. I have no problem with what is deemed to be the best interpretation of the facts.

Whatever the analysis of the samples show, it certainly does not follow from the results that the Aztec’s preferred mode of transportation was the Apatosaurus, or that fire-breathing dragons were actually dinosaurs, or that the world is only 6,000 years old, or that evolution never happened, and so on.

In the final analysis, you have no real argument with solid support.
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Oh, so C-14 dating of dinosaur bone collagen etc and many other dinosaur bone fragments from Texas to Alaska does not matter? Uhm! repeatabililty in experimentation is “no real argument with solid support.” Let’s then close all 125 or so C-14 dating labs through out the world, Academia has spoken. :o

Go figure! That little rhyme I keep posting is valid and so are the C-14 dates for the Bone collagen and the calcium carbonate fraction of the other Triceratops and Hadrosaur and other dinos. IDvolution Ye, descent from a common ancestor :o is truly an embarrasment so much so that the NSF has dropped it. I wonder what they know that we don’t?
 
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