The earth is only 6000 years old (II)

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Yes. That humans are unique is a theological, not a scientific claim. Anteaters are unique, as are Tasmanian Devils and Woolly Mammoths and humans and Haleakala Geese.
The human being is scientifically unique, as in species, otherwise it would not be scientifically called Homo sapiens, sapiens. I believe that one of the scientific claims is the size of the brain area. Also, I believe that science has claimed differences in some of the bone structures and facial characteristics.

Both philosophy and theology can be employed to explain differences between a human being and the list containing anteaters, wooly mammoths and haleakala Geese. However, most observers use common sense.

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granny

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Honestly, I consider this a false or incomplete statement, in part because you do not elaborate why. You claim that there is “no empirical evidence” for an old earth, but that is a patently false claim. Almost laughably so. You are clearly a religious person, and your posts refer to figures of the OT in literal, believing ways. When someone asks you to check up on the radiometric dating of rock for age, what do you reply?

Does the Bible, then, have ANYTHING to do with your rejection of the data signaling an old earth?
 
Yes, all species, technically, are equally unique and individual if one means that each species has a discernable uniqueness. Obviously, individual species are different from one another which is the point of post 804…

Post 804 is not a statement of faith. It comes from a proposed thesis that was not intended to be a debate vehicle for religious beliefs. Nor would it propose the existence of God per se.

One needs to remember that non-theists are capable of observing the functions of human nature without a statement of faith.
Every species is unique. You seem to be agreeing. I don’t see your point, except to reiterate Catholic teaching on the matter, which is theological and not scientific. Which was my only point.
 
Honestly, I consider this a false or incomplete statement, in part because you do not elaborate why. You claim that there is “no empirical evidence” for an old earth, but that is a patently false claim. Almost laughably so. You are clearly a religious person, and your posts refer to figures of the OT in literal, believing ways. When someone asks you to check up on the radiometric dating of rock for age, what do you reply?

Does the Bible, then, have ANYTHING to do with your rejection of the data signaling an old earth?
You ask a yes or no question - I answered no.

Revelation must harmonize with our reasoning of our observed data.

Catholics know that God is the ultimate author of Creation and He could do it anyway He wants. The question we ask is how did He do it? Did He use IDvolution or evolution? I reject scientism as a solution to this question.
 
Yet another classic example of I’ll avoid your remarks if you answer my question.

No one is driving me anywhere. I’ll only restate my position: it is obvious that nothing bad will happen to the United States if most people don’t think the earth is older than 10,000 years. I’ll just paraphrase another thought that links up with this one: Theocracy will occur if too many people think the earth is not billions of years old.

More baloney.
What? What are you talking about?
To answer your question: Thanks to a few people here, it is now apparent that distance relationships in space are incorrect and it is also apparent that finding certain bits of organic material in dinosaur bones points to a shorter age. Otherwise, only the Catholic Church is my guide for the rest.
Ok. You have two sources for information on the age of the planet: internet strangers in a Catholic chatroom, none of whom are experts in the field, and Catholic doctrine–which takes no specific position on it.

Are you opposed to reading the research methods and results from the experts themselves in the field? Are you opposed to this intellectual endeavor of discovery concerning the natural world?
 
Your turn larkin

I answered yours - now you answer mine -

What is the single assumption that this whole mountain of evidence rests upon? (the point of the upside down triangle if you will)
 
You ask a yes or no question - I answered no.

Revelation must harmonize with our reasoning of our observed data.

Catholics know that God is the ultimate author of Creation and He could do it anyway He wants. The question we ask is how did He do it? Did He use IDvolution or evolution? I reject scientism as a solution to this question.
I am not asking about evolution. I am asking ONLY about the age of the planet. The RCC takes NO SPECIFIC POSITION on this matter. But you do. I want to know why you reject what the RCC specifically does not reject.
 
Your turn larkin

I answered yours - now you answer mine -

What is the single assumption that this whole mountain of evidence rests upon? (the point of the upside down triangle if you will)
Who stated that there is a “single assumption”? I did not. So why are you asking me this? You should ask me a question about one of my posts, as I have been doing with you.

Or, if you would like, you can state what “single assumption” you are postulating and I can give you a response to it. I really don’t know what you are thinking of. It’s like your question is asking me to read your mind. Just lay it out for us, buffalo, and several of us can respond if you would like.
 
You use this same basic phrase over and over again as a response to many posters - “…get credentials…write up a theory…present to the Association of XYZ…then you can overturn…”

Out of curiosity, do you follow this advice in your own life?

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Absolutely! I studied, earned the doctorate, teach, write, and propose papers to conferences.
So exactly which parts of Catholic Theology do you want to overturn?

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Who stated that there is a “single assumption”? I did not. So why are you asking me this? You should ask me a question about one of my posts, as I have been doing with you.

Or, if you would like, you can state what “single assumption” you are postulating and I can give you a response to it. I really don’t know what you are thinking of. It’s like your question is asking me to read your mind. Just lay it out for us, buffalo, and several of us can respond if you would like.
You claimed mountains of evidence. I asked you what the underlying assumption is. See if you can come up with it.
 
I am not asking about evolution. I am asking ONLY about the age of the planet. The RCC takes NO SPECIFIC POSITION on this matter. But you do. I want to know why you reject what the RCC specifically does not reject.
If it is true then I believe it. The question is - is it true? Are we really sure? How do we know?
 
You claimed mountains of evidence. I asked you what the underlying assumption is. See if you can come up with it.
Why are you playing this weird coy game? Why don’t you just state what the heck you are thinking of? This is the type of thing that looks intellectually dishonest. Which has also been part of my point here.

What are you afraid of?
 
What? What are you talking about?

Ok. You have two sources for information on the age of the planet: internet strangers in a Catholic chatroom, none of whom are experts in the field, and Catholic doctrine–which takes no specific position on it.

Are you opposed to reading the research methods and results from the experts themselves in the field? Are you opposed to this intellectual endeavor of discovery concerning the natural world?
Can you turn that bright light to one side? It hurts my eyes.

God bless,
Ed
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If it is true then I believe it. The question is - is it true? Are we really sure? How do we know?
Do you accept as true that water is made up of two hydrogen atoms bonding to an oxygen atom? Do you reject this chemical assessment of water on the same grounds?
 
Can you turn that bright light to one side? It hurts my eyes.
So, you will now go coy (like buffalo) rather than answer sincerely and honestly on the details of why you reject the evidence of the age of the earth so many times on this thread? What are you even doing here if you won’t lay your cards on the table?

Why is there so much posturing and ********ting over WHY we do what we do?
 
Yes. That humans are unique is a theological, not a scientific claim. Anteaters are unique, as are Tasmanian Devils and Woolly Mammoths and humans and Haleakala Geese.
What constitutes “uniqueness” needs to be defined before the question can be discussed in a meaningful way. Uniqueness is first a philosophical understanding, it is philosophical prior to it being a theological matter. This is an important distinction.

Towards an understanding of a specie’s uniqueness, that which differentiates it from another species as being a difference in kind rather than degree, we can consider an essential attribute or characteristic possessed by one species and not another, not even possessed in a rudimentary sense.

A rudimentary possession of a characteristic by an organism, a characteristic which is more fully possessed by another, is a difference in degree only.

Again, a characteristic that categorizes an organism as different in “kind”, that is, a difference in kind that is radical (and not superficial) is not possessed by the second organism in any “degree”.

Science can show, in the limited way proper to its own authority, that *Homo sapiens or Homo sapiens sapiens *differs in “kind” from other animals, and that the difference in kind is “radical”. What is it that is observable and can be studied by the scientific method which will address a difference in kind? It is the possession by man of propositional speech.

So far, animal language and cognitive studies, as far as I can tell, show that the most intelligent non-human animals exhibit communication and cognitive abilities that are fully explained on the level of perceptual thinking. Of course, this is not the conclusion often drawn by contemporary researchers in this area, but the problems with their studies and the underlying assumptions that contribute to such a mis-interpretation are evident.

Propositional speech, which involves abstract conceptual abilities, the ability to know via universals and express such in language use is unique to man. And this is a radical difference in kind. Even the concepts of biology are manifestly universals as evidenced by the terms of taxonomic nomenclature, species, genus, family, order, etc, each of which involves a broader and more inclusive universal conception. On the other hand, every thing in the perceptual order of animals is a “particular.”

This why one will never hear a non-human animal lecture in the U.C. Berkeley science department on the characteristic differences between Coleoptera and Hymenoptera, or the idea of the universe as the totallity of consistentally interacting things.

In matters of religion, the Ave Maria song expresses in language ideas that radically transcend the communication and cognitive abilities of non-human animals. I cannot imagine someone seriously contending that the anthropoid apes or dolphins possess such ability in a rudimentary sense. But then again, almost anything that can be claimed has been claimed by someone, no matter how nonsensical the idea.
 
Every species is unique. You seem to be agreeing. I don’t see your point, except to reiterate Catholic teaching on the matter, which is theological and not scientific. Which was my only point.
Standing on the scientific turf, I can see a difference between human beings and brute animals based on their functions. Standing on the Catholic turf, I can see a difference between human beings and brute animals based on their functions.

The difficulty arises because the scientific turf allows for only the material aspects of the human being while the Catholic turf allows for both the material and spiritual aspects of the human being. This difficulty becomes even more difficult because people other than Catholics can spot the same spiritual aspects as Catholics. Also Catholics can spot the same material aspects of the human being.

I would prefer to discuss all this from a scientific view point, but my threads in Apologetics were closed when the ban went into effect. So, yes, my only recourse is to present Catholic teaching which I will continue to do.

Larkin, please accept my apologies for going off target. It is that the human factor always seems to come up somehow. As for the age of the earth, I’m looking for the point which can support real, true human life. Guess that is the reason human life comes up. :o

Easter Blessings, Good Thoughts, and Good Night.
granny
 
So, you will now go coy (like buffalo) rather than answer sincerely and honestly on the details of why you reject the evidence of the age of the earth so many times on this thread? What are you even doing here if you won’t lay your cards on the table?

Why is there so much posturing and ********ting over WHY we do what we do?
I’ve already given a comprehensive answer a few posts back.

I never liked interrogations.

God bless,
Ed

Choose Jesus.
 
We’ve been over this all before. If the evidence had any empirical weight, the discoveries would win the Nobel.

And the authors would list their names.
November 6th, 2009 is the release date of the book by the National Research Council of Italy in Italian; I think that the all the authors in that book by Dr. Roberto de Mattei should be awarded a Nobel prize of some support as they have blown the whistle on the long ages for evolution to survive as an hypothesis. Dr Mattei should be included as he broke through the censorship fog to get the book printed.W

When the papers are published in English and or Italian on the internet like other papers then you will know the whole story. Some of the authors you already know by going to the following web site as I’ve alrready mentioned several times. >>>> sites.google.com/site/scientificcritiqueofevolution/abstracts
Go to Abstracts in the upper left corner.

But I suspect you well know the Nobel committee is stacked with only evolutionists as is the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and even the Temple Foundation and peer review will take quite a few years for obvious reasons 🤷
 
Go to Greenland. Collect a piece of the Amitsoq gneiss. Take it to a Radiometric dating laboratory. Have it dated. Repeat. Test. I predict an age of about 3 billion years.

That is empirical, repeatable, testable and predictable evidence.

rossum
Uhm! Did they radiocarbon date wood that may have been entrapped in the lava fields?

They might have gotten closer to the real date had they done so. Checking for C-14 content of dinosaur bones is emperical, testable, datable, repeatable, and I predict ages of 23,000 up to about 45,000 C-14 years which are the same C-14 ages as some Eurasian and US mammoths.

Minerologist Dr. Oosterwyck said in 1975 that radioactive decay methods of dating are NOT absolute and even meaningless and then she lost her lab directorship.

New experiments on the page entitled Radioactive Decay on www.dinosaurc14.ages.com
vindicate this great lady’s observations of 35 years ago.

Much more experimental research needs to be done, however, such as evaluating the dispute on the effects of cavitation on increasing the half life of Thorium 228 10,000 times and of course other isotopes.😉
 
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