The earth is only 6000 years old.

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aspirant said:
The most likely one didn’t make the list:
3. Young-earthers are misinterpreting scripture.
4. Or old-earthers are misinterpreting the evidence; or starting with the wrong presupposition thus gets wrong ‘evidence’.
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aspirant said:
The most likely one didn’t make the list:
3. Young-earthers are misinterpreting scripture.

Robert Sungenis is not a trustworthy source.
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Perhaps you could show me where he got the geneaologies wrong.
 
aspirant said:
Are all humans descended from two human ancestors we call Adam and Eve? Definitely.

Not for humans.
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Were there humans before your Adam and Eve?

What do you make of the following?

Job 12:
6 The tents of robbers prosper, And those who provoke God are secure–In what God provides by His hand.
7 "But now ask the beasts, and they will teach you; And the birds of the air, and they will tell you;
8 Or speak to the earth, and it will teach you; And the fish of the sea will explain to you.
9 Who among all these does not know That the hand of the LORD has done this,
10 In whose hand is the life of every living thing, And the breath of all mankind?

Isa 24:
5 The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, Because they have transgressed the laws, Changed the ordinance, Broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, And those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, And few men are left.

Romans 8:
19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.
 
Dokimas said:
Were there humans before your Adam and Eve?

What do you make of the following?

Job 12:
6 The tents of robbers prosper, And those who provoke God are secure–In what God provides by His hand.
7 "But now ask the beasts, and they will teach you; And the birds of the air, and they will tell you;
8 Or speak to the earth, and it will teach you; And the fish of the sea will explain to you.
9 Who among all these does not know That the hand of the LORD has done this,
10 In whose hand is the life of every living thing, And the breath of all mankind?

Isa 24:
5 The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, Because they have transgressed the laws, Changed the ordinance, Broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, And those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, And few men are left.

Romans 8:
19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.
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From those verses are interesting implications, like that from Isaiah involving burning the earth’s inhabitants(hmm- why not freezing?) That from Job also seems to suggest that we treat the earth and other creatures better. Anyway, I believe that the people prior to Adam and Eve were the cavemen and, say, Homo erectus. In addition, were the “sons of God” in Romans the same as those of Genesis(i.e. the apparently demonic beings who fathered Nephilim)? I apologize if I presently seem a little light-headed.
 
Young_Thinker said:
From those verses are interesting implications, like that from Isaiah involving burning the earth’s inhabitants(hmm- why not freezing?) That from Job also seems to suggest that we treat the earth and other creatures better. Anyway, I believe that the people prior to Adam and Eve were the cavemen and, say, Homo erectus. In addition, were the “sons of God” in Romans the same as those of Genesis(i.e. the apparently demonic beings who fathered Nephilim)? I apologize if I presently seem a little light-headed.
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Your light headedness is far superior to my normal mindedness, I’m sure. 🙂
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Respectfully, I’d ask how it could be 10,000 years old when radio-carbon dating is a reliable and long-standing method used that can date things as old as 60,000 years old?
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it seems that radio-carbon dating is not at all as reliable as some would have us accept and that most other dating methods report a young earth and the ones that do not it seems are flawed - twinc
 
AidanM32 said:
*Hello,
I believe the Earth is millions of years old.

Aidan*
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Personally I believe that a cosmological theory proposed by Moshe Carmeli (died a few years ago), an Israeli astrophysicist. It involves five dimensions, and fits within a creationist time frame.

A link is provided below. It also answers questions plaguing modern cosmology, such as the alleged missing dark matter required to explain the current rate of expansion.

creationwiki.org/Cosmological_relativity

“Dark Matter” by the way is simply a cop-out. When astronomers way back around the turn of the 19th century couldn’t explain some of the vagaries of Mercury’s orbit, they postulated there must be some missing “Dark Matter” on the other side of the sun which caused the anomalies. However Einstein’s theory of relativity fixed the problem, and they didn’t need the “Dark Matter” anymore.

These days the problem is the rate of expansion of the universe. Unable to explain it even with Einstein’s Theory as it is, they reverted to what their ancestors did - brought in “Dark Matter”.

And that’s all it is - a term to say “We don’t know the answer”.
 
Dokimas said:
Were there humans before your Adam and Eve?
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This question doesn’t make sense. Adam and Eve are the names we call the first humans, the ones-- as I already said-- from whom all humans are descended.
Dokimas said:
What do you make of the following?
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Humans have done and continue to do rather nasty things to other earthly creatures.
 
jimmy said:
Your example isn’t pertinent to the discussion. The weatherman is only interpreting the weather, and second he is using a figure of speech. Are you turning the act of creation into a figure of speech? If you want to give a comparison make sure it atleast has some kind of corresponding logic.

You want to ignore the facts and pretend they don’t exist. The fact is that there are stars that are visible from the earth that happen to be a billion light years away. Basically what you are saying is that God purposely made it so that the universe contradicts its own reality. You have to deny reason to accept that the earth is 6000 years old. Either God is a deciever or the earth is much older than 6000 years old. The fact is that our technology and society have advanced because people used their reason and accepted science. All the facts point to an old universe. You want to tell me that there is a square circle. You want to say that a 6x6 inch square will fit inside a circle of diameter 4 inches. You want to deny cause and effect.
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Incorrect. The political-scientific establishment can promote an idea without considering the alternatives. There are non-distance related red shift phenomena out there. Our Western technology and science have advanced because of the Catholic Church. Our Western society has significantly degraded over the last 40 years because people have gradually stopped being obedient to Church teaching.

As long as there is a buck to be made or a political agenda, science is bent:

hup.harvard.edu/catalog/MCGBEN.html

Peace,
Ed
 
twinc said:
the whole of creation fell with Adam -twinc
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I was asked about death. Humans could not die before sin. Animals, on the other hand, could die. Their souls are not by nature immortal.
 
buffalo said:
Perhaps you could show me where he got the geneaologies wrong.
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Perhaps you could explain why Catholics should take seriously the word of someone who continued to call his organization “Catholic” even when he was legally forbidden to do so.
 
Young_Thinker said:
From those verses are interesting implications, like that from Isaiah involving burning the earth’s inhabitants(hmm- why not freezing?) That from Job also seems to suggest that we treat the earth and other creatures better. Anyway, I believe that the people prior to Adam and Eve were the cavemen and, say, Homo erectus. In addition, were the “sons of God” in Romans the same as those of Genesis(i.e. the apparently demonic beings who fathered Nephilim)? I apologize if I presently seem a little light-headed.
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Sons of God refer to Seth’s offspring. Sons of man refer to Cain’s.
 
aspirant said:
Perhaps you could explain why Catholics should take seriously the word of someone who continued to call his organization “Catholic” even when he was legally forbidden to do so.
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Not sure what you are referring to here, but truth is truth wherever it is found.
 
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