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There is currently a temporary ban on evolution threads so all of the usual suspects (guilty
) have turned up here on this thread to discuss the age of the Earth and not discuss evolution at all.rossum
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) have turned up here on this thread to discuss the age of the Earth and not discuss evolution at all.rossum
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buffalo
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Right - nothing in their experience, protection of the Holy Spirit, and Revelation would lead them so.
The constant teaching and understanding of the Church must harmonize with science since faith and reason cannot be opposed. This intersection is an area we must carefully explore without resorting to scientism.
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StAnastasia
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Quite right.
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StAnastasia
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rossum, fairly soon I expect discussion of the age of the earth and of genetics and of heliocentrism will be banned as well. Science leads to rancorous debate.There is currently a temporary ban on evolution threads so all of the usual suspects (guilty
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rossum
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Maybe we can discuss whether 6,000 angels can fit onto the head of a pin or 4.5 billion angels?
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StAnastasia
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European or African pin?
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grannymh
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In the philosophy department at my university, it was debated how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
I belonged to a fun group.
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Mr_Skeptic
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Agreed.
That thought always pops up whenever the question of - “Can billions of theists be wrong?” arises.
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larkin31
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nothing more on experiments that suggest a young earth?
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Philipp
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I was reviewing some of the posts I missed and came across the above gem. "Older or younger comes from the “Guess and speculation hand book” of those who believe and actively promote the hypothesis of life from a common ancestor. It does not come from folks who believe in what scripture and church fathers taught - best responded to by Lateran IV in AD 1215, St. Augustine etc. but with a modern touch like:
**“Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have obviously been created AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator by variation in the DNA structure of each life form. [Simul in latin meaning “at once” in English, from Lateran IV, AD 1215] **
The moon Titan has hydrocarbons as does the earth at least according to NASA research.* The Creator does have a sense of humor
in flaunting the speculation of those who would try and tell Him that this or that planet is older or younger than the earth that he also created “Simul” like He did with all life forms when He said He did it.
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StAnastasia
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Scripture and the fathers are as irrelevant when it comes to the physics of planetary accretion discs as they are when it comes to installing a coaxial TV cable. They have nothing worthwhile to say about either. The sphere of competence of Scripture and patristics is theology, not science.
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QUOTE=StAnastasia;6402643]Sorry Philipp, but I’m with the Church on this one, not your breakaway sect of Young Earth Catholics. The Rome conference last March on that forbidden topic was a superb event, and showed the depth of thinking among Catholics on the issue of the age of the earth.
To be sure, the breakaway 6000 year people felt left out, so they held their own event.
Nothing but the facts Sir theologian - hard scientific facts. That’s why other scientists were denied admission; they had challenging hard data that would scuttle Darwin’s birthday party. One Scientst from Turkey tried to ask a question of one of the speakers as well as make a pre-statment that the fossil record did not show any evidence for descent from a common ancestor; after being allowed to speak briefly he was sent packing. The question was not answered.
How did he get into this rubber stamp conference I’ve been wondering. It was my impression that the PAS “Thought Police” were very thorough in limiting the conference to only “believers.” Therefore I suspect there are fewer “thought police” in Rome these days. That was on Youtube for all to see.
Fortunately for Dr. Patterson, curator of fossils at the British museum got away with asking the question in the mid-1980’s of his fellow Darwining friends: ***“Is there any one thing about evolution that is true” *** and the only answer from this group of fellow believers was from one researcher was: “***All I know is that it should NOT be taught in high school.” ***
Pity our poor Catholic teachers who are required whether they want to or not to brainwash their innocent students into believing God did it over billions of non-existing years perhaps from cyanobacterium 3.5 billion years BP. Is this the same God who changed water into wine or who multiplied the loaves and fish or resurrected himself from the tomb in an instant? No wonder our Catholic youth lose their faith upon receiving further indoctrination when at the University level. Total confusion
**“Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have obviously been created AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator by variation in the DNA structure of each life form. [Simul in latin meaning “at once” in English, from Lateran IV, AD 1215] **
To be sure, the breakaway 6000 year people felt left out, so they held their own event.
Nothing but the facts Sir theologian - hard scientific facts. That’s why other scientists were denied admission; they had challenging hard data that would scuttle Darwin’s birthday party. One Scientst from Turkey tried to ask a question of one of the speakers as well as make a pre-statment that the fossil record did not show any evidence for descent from a common ancestor; after being allowed to speak briefly he was sent packing. The question was not answered.
How did he get into this rubber stamp conference I’ve been wondering. It was my impression that the PAS “Thought Police” were very thorough in limiting the conference to only “believers.” Therefore I suspect there are fewer “thought police” in Rome these days. That was on Youtube for all to see.
Fortunately for Dr. Patterson, curator of fossils at the British museum got away with asking the question in the mid-1980’s of his fellow Darwining friends: ***“Is there any one thing about evolution that is true” *** and the only answer from this group of fellow believers was from one researcher was: “***All I know is that it should NOT be taught in high school.” ***
Pity our poor Catholic teachers who are required whether they want to or not to brainwash their innocent students into believing God did it over billions of non-existing years perhaps from cyanobacterium 3.5 billion years BP. Is this the same God who changed water into wine or who multiplied the loaves and fish or resurrected himself from the tomb in an instant? No wonder our Catholic youth lose their faith upon receiving further indoctrination when at the University level. Total confusion
**“Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have obviously been created AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator by variation in the DNA structure of each life form. [Simul in latin meaning “at once” in English, from Lateran IV, AD 1215] **
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StAnastasia
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Are you suggesting that a huge population of Muslims and of Christians – many of whom consign the infidels of the opposite side to their respective “hells” – might not be correct?Agreed. That thought always pops up whenever the question of - “Can billions of theists be wrong?” arises.
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larkin31
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Which teachers do you mean? Teachers of biology? Or geology? Do you think that they have a problem with teaching an old earth? The RCC does not. Why should they, particularly since it is the vast consensus in their field?
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Philipp
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Much, much, more and I’ll be back tomorrow. Nothing but the facts. Got to hit the sack.
There will more C-14 dates for fossils including more on diamonds, sedimentology lab and flume studies reported in Science Journal as well as others. Lots of hard data like the hydrocarbons on Titan? — Sarcasim>>>Indeed, it’s a fact, dinosaurs helped make our fossil fuel so they must have been on Titan.
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Philipp, (1) Oktar Babuna was not “sent packing” as you suggest. He out of order, refusing to relinquish the microphone and trying to force through his question at a time that was not scheduled for general discussion. He was invited to come back later and pose it during the proper question time, but he left the conference in a childish tantrum. It was his choice to leave, not those of us participating in the conference.
(2) If Catholic youth lose their faith it is because when they get to college and learn about serious science, they may realize they’ve been lied to by their catechism teachers, and incorrectly decide that Catholics are liars. This is unfortunate and unnecessary. I was glad when I learned at my sixth-grader’s back-to-school night that his science teacher (who was also his religion teacher), correctly said that there is no contradiction between religion and science. He went on to have an enjoyable year learning about evolutionary biology, and strengthening his faith in God.
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the diamonds thing was a flop, phillip. remember?Much, much, more and I’ll be back tomorrow. Nothing but the facts. Got to hit the sack.
There will more C-14 dates for fossils including more on diamonds, sedimentology lab and flume studies reported in Science Journal as well as others. Lots of hard data like the hydrocarbons on Titan? — Sarcasim>>>Indeed, it’s a fact, dinosaurs helped make our fossil fuel so they must have been on Titan.
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StAnastasia
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Like the Titan hydrocarbon thing. But YECs are not deterred by truth; look at Duane Gish, who will repeat the same lie over and over to different audiences, no matter how many times he is proven wrong.
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grannymh
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And the reason you know this is because you checked Scripture and the Fathers about physics of planetary accretion discs and installing a coaxial TV cable ? ? ?
No wonder there is not a lot of time to check the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition.
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StAnastasia
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No, the reason is that the CCC is irrelevant to planetary physics or the other sciences. It’s good on the sacraments, though.And the reason you know this is because you checked Scripture and the Fathers about physics of planetary accretion discs and installing a coaxial TV cable ? ? ?
No wonder there is not a lot of time to check the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition.
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