The earth is only 6000 years old.

[larkin31]

Hmmmm .Bogus. To find oil and gas - we drill and use satellite imagery, sound, seismic and shock waves. - has nothing to do with age. It is either there or not. And in the past it was trial and error. We still found it.

And

How about the others?

He meant the process of making oil from deposits. Which you are studiously avoiding.

 

[Rsiewell]

Rsiewell, you will have to show evidence to convince me that Egyptian civilization dates back earlier than about 5500 BCE. However, archaeology takes us to 7600 BCE in China, well before the YEC chronology begins. Paleontology takes us back at least to the Cambrian explosion (540 million years BP), geology to three or four billion years, and astronomy to 13.715 billion years before present. You are right that logic brings us to an ancient earth. For Catholics and other theists who have brought their cerebelli with them to Church, Theistic Evolution is a natural fit.

StAnastasia

I meant to say five, my bad, I was writing two things at once

 

[StAnastasia]

I meant to say five, my bad, I was writing two things at once

Ah – I do that often! I’m preparing a guest lecture for a state university class tomorrow, and have to be careful not to inject too much Catholic theology into it from these and other discussions in which I’m engaged.

 

[StAnastasia]

The truth doesn’t have to be popular. Someone’s ignorance towards a particular truth does not make that truth untrue. Remember when someone said the earth isn’t flat. … that wasn’t very popular but it was the truth.

I didn’t say the truth had to be popular. If the truth is important to you, it must be worth sharing with professional geologists.

 

[edwest2]

To buffalo -

I am seeing the same talking points here that I see on anti-theist forums. Apparently, if you sin by denying one aspect of science then you are guilty of denying all. You can then read about how we are all so dependent on science that we couldn’t live without it. That certain people are hypocrites for denying “science” because they live with all of the great things it provides, like medicine. This is nothing more than a campaign to get people to bow to the new god: The Mind of Man. Man is above God as well. Man interprets Scripture based on his understanding. Based on science. Though there is not one single peer reviewed paper about God, the Bible or the supernatural as described in the Bible.

To my brothers and sisters in Christ. Understand what the Church teaches and why. Science will not get you to heaven, only God can do that. You are not a haphazard mistake but willed by God.

God bless,
Ed

 

[grannymh]

I meant to say five, my bad, I was writing two things at once

How far back can archeology go regarding the origin of a true, fully complete human being? Earlier than 7,600 BC in China?

 

[larkin31]

Why? Thousands of tones of water for 40 days + some thousands of years until today could have easily make sediments, fossils, etc.

“thousands of tons”???

“some thousands of years”???

 

[buffalo]

He meant the process of making oil from deposits. Which you are studiously avoiding.

How again does that prevent us from finding deposits?

But - you should know that geologists now think that oil is being produced today.

 

[larkin31]

Ok you say the earth is what 4 billions years old?? Ok great. I say 6,000- 10,000. Our conclusion to this question , doesn’t stop us from using the resources of the earth .

the oil and coal are typically from deposits from as recent as 5 million years ago and as old as 300 million years

not sure how this gibes with your young-earth figure of 6-10 thousand years. But if all you care about is digging it up, then you’ll leave it to the experts who understand sedimentation and plate tectonics and the inversion of the magnetic poles over millions of years to actually know where to look for it as our resources keep dwindling because it takes so many millions of years naturally to make the stuff.

 

[larkin31]

How again does that prevent us from finding deposits?

But - you should know that geologists now think that oil is being produced today.

Even in the atmosphere! I am aware, yes.

So, how old do you think the petroleum deposits are? Do you not accept that some are from the Jurassic? Do you not even acknowledge a Jurassic period?

 

[larkin31]

How far back can archeology go regarding the origin of a true, fully complete human being?

Which species of “being” do you mean? Can you be more specific?

 

[edwest2]

By the way, there’s evidence oil is not a fossil fuel. It turns out it is leaking out of thermal vents in the ocean:

sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/319/5863/604

It doesn’t look like we’ll be running out - ever.

God bless,
Ed

 

[Philipp]

He meant the process of making oil from deposits. Which you are studiously avoiding.

Do you mean extracting hydrocarbons from shale or from oil deposits 8,000 to say 30,000 feet deep. My wife and I watched a little of “Boom Town” with Clark Gable and Spencer Tracy last night and they hit oil in Texas and Oklahoma. I don’t know how deep they supposedly were drilling in but Prudhoe Bay wells I understand on the North Slope of Alaska are about 8,000 feet deep before they hit oil.

Interestingly there are all types of UNFOSSILIZED trees from palm trees to fir trees buried all the way down to to a depth of at least 2000 feet in the permafrost with shells and sand strata interspersed, all UNFOSSILIZED. Here are some C-14 dates for some from the literature in the technical paper published by the National Research Council of Italy that also reported C-14 dated for dinosaur bones.

*…"unfossilized wood from drill core samples deep in the permafrost of Prudhoe Bay Alaska:
(a) 43,380 ± 380 RC years at 60m depth [Using accelerated Mass Spectrometer]

(b) 25,500 RC years and 29,200 RC years for the same sample of Tamarack wood [Larix laricina (DuRoi) K. Koch] at 122m depth (Johnson) and

(c) >43,300 RC years BP at 183 m depth (Rodgers) (5)." (b) and (c) were on the less sensitive beta counters.

REFERENCES: (5) (a) Measured on Accelerated Mass Spectrometer (AMS) report - private communication (b) Radiocarbon (1976) 18 P. 148, samples WSU-1428 and WSU-1426 (c) Radiocarbon (1973), Smithsonian Inst. Sample SI-903, p. 398.*

**COMMENT: Could these trees be evidence for the flood of Noah? It’s a shame that someone did not pick up on performing a thorough C-14 study of the oil well core samples from Prudhoe. BUT this is another instance where the predominent paradigm prevented scientists from a through study to see what catastrophe could have buried whole forests to such a depth. Hopefully when the “Hypothesis of life from a common ancestor” is finally allowed to be challenged funds and permission of the oil companies might be forthcoming. **

 

[grannymh]

Which species of “being” do you mean? Can you be more specific?

It would be the final product, the modern human, from the Homo sapiens sapiens lineage.

 

[edwest2]

Oil not a fossil fuel book:

amazon.com/Deep-Hot-Biosphere-Fossil-Fuels/dp/0387985468

God bless,
Ed

 

[StAnastasia]

Hopefully when the “Hypothesis of life from a common ancestor” is finally allowed to be challenged funds and permission of the oil companies might be forthcoming.

It’s being challenged all the time – that’s called “science.”

 

[Philipp]

By the way, there’s evidence oil is not a fossil fuel. It turns out it is leaking out of thermal vents in the ocean:

sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/319/5863/604

It doesn’t look like we’ll be running out - ever.

God bless,
Ed

And if we do run out some 100’s of years hence I’m sure NASA, China or Russia by that time will find a way to pipe in the hydrocarbon Lakes from Titan, a moon of Saturn.
spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=12709

**“Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have obviously been created AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator by variation in the DNA structure of each life form. [Simul in Latin meaning “at once” in English, from Lateran IV, AD 1215] **

 

[StAnastasia]

By the way, there’s evidence oil is not a fossil fuel. It turns out it is leaking out of thermal vents in the ocean: sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/319/5863/604 It doesn’t look like we’ll be running out - ever.

The article does not suggest that marketable quantities of oil will be recovered. However, the lead author, Proskurowski,does say “The generation of hydrocarbons was the very first step, otherwise Earth would have remained lifeless.”

 

[StAnastasia]

And if we do run out some 100’s of years hence I’m sure NASA, China or Russia by that time will find a way to pipe in the hydrocarbon Lakes from Titan, a moon of Saturn.]

Piping it will not be possible because it would freeze in deep space. In any case, we would need it much sooner than that as terrestrial petroleum sources fall into steep decline.

 

[itinerant1]

By the way, there’s evidence oil is not a fossil fuel. It turns out it is leaking out of thermal vents in the ocean:

sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/319/5863/604

It doesn’t look like we’ll be running out - ever.

God bless,
Ed

Hydrocarbons vary in atomic number, and there is evidence for an abiogenic production of low weight hydrocarbons, but just where in the linked article do you think the authors even suggest, according your statement, that “there’s evidence that oil is not a fossil fuel”?