The East is doing something right!

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I think the East is doing something right…

I mean we have all these controversies in the West with these “new groups” that act as cults.

I mean people have accused Legionaries, Opus Dei, Neocatecumenate, Communion and Liberation, Focolare, of being cults. One only needs to do a google search to find testimonies of members of these groups.

I haven’t heard of any Eastern Catholic monasteries with ex-members complaining of such abuses…

Maybe it’s because the East just sticks to the old ways (that are proven to work) rather than experiment with “new forms” of consecrated life.

Even with the exposure of the intricate cover-up of sex abuse that we had in the early 2000’s in the media, it mostly involved (or maybe entirely involved the Western Church.)

Why do you think that is? I think it is evidence the East is doing something right.
 
True that these so-called cults do not spring from the East, but at the same time they have Eastern and Oriental members (or ex-members) among their ranks.

I will not go into a discussion of the sex-abuse thing except to say there, too, it affects more than just the Latin Church.
 
Juama said:
I think the East is doing something right…

I mean we have all these controversies in the West with these “new groups” that act as cults.

I mean people have accused Legionaries, Opus Dei, Neocatecumenate, Communion and Liberation, Focolare, of being cults. One only needs to do a google search to find testimonies of members of these groups.

I haven’t heard of any Eastern Catholic monasteries with ex-members complaining of such abuses…

Maybe it’s because the East just sticks to the old ways (that are proven to work) rather than experiment with “new forms” of consecrated life.

Even with the exposure of the intricate cover-up of sex abuse that we had in the early 2000’s in the media, it mostly involved (or maybe entirely involved the Western Church.)

Why do you think that is? I think it is evidence the East is doing something right.
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Maybe it’s simply because the Eastern Catholic churches constitute only a very small percentage of worldwide Catholics.

The East has its fair share of “cults” as well. If you look at the history of the Russian Church, you will find various cults, some stranger than others.
 
Juama said:
I think the East is doing something right…

I mean we have all these controversies in the West with these “new groups” that act as cults.

I mean people have accused Legionaries, Opus Dei, Neocatecumenate, Communion and Liberation, Focolare, of being cults. One only needs to do a google search to find testimonies of members of these groups.

I haven’t heard of any Eastern Catholic monasteries with ex-members complaining of such abuses…

Maybe it’s because the East just sticks to the old ways (that are proven to work) rather than experiment with “new forms” of consecrated life.

Even with the exposure of the intricate cover-up of sex abuse that we had in the early 2000’s in the media, it mostly involved (or maybe entirely involved the Western Church.)

Why do you think that is? I think it is evidence the East is doing something right.
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Unfortunately this is the sort of post and question that almost demands some dirt-digging that I really would rather NOT do.

Eastern Catholic communities have experienced problems in direct proportion to their membership. I would prefer to leave it at that.

Going further, I would say that there is holiness still to be found in abundance in the many Catholic corners of the world…

But using the weasel words of
I mean people have accused Legionaries, Opus Dei, Neocatecumenate, Communion and Liberation, Focolare, of being cults. One only needs to do a google search to find testimonies of members of these groups.
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But are they cults? Who are these folks? Are all testimonies equal? On the specific charge of “being a cult” what have you to offer? What is credible? Does the charge make it so?

I have been a detractor of the Legion for sometime… But does the current revelations being made indicate they are a cult? (Cult, I think, NO. DAMAGED severely? YES!)

Does the fact that the Greek Catholic Church does not have an analagous group mean that things are going swimingly for us at every turn? Again, I would say no.

I really don’t like the assumptions made by the post or the somewhat false dichotomies drawn as conclusions. Broad strokes are being used to make wide assumptions.
 
East and West have lived in a very different world from each other. The east has lived under Islam for many centuries so that Christianity was supressed and persecution was sometimes common. The West developed under a marriage of Church and state. Protestantism grew out of the Church and state relationship. Because of the persecutions in the East, I think that a different dynamic was present that kept the faith more whole than the west.

I would assert that this is the main reason why the west has many more issues than the east. The Western Church had to react to the Reformation, and that has influenced much. The Western Church, in some ways, fueled the fire that caused the Reformation in the terrible ecclesiastical abuses that were present in the 13th, 14th, and 15th centuries. many of the issues in the west today are a direct result of that past, IMO.
 
I haven’t heard of any Eastern Catholic monasteries with ex-members complaining of such abuses…
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Maybe it’s because the East just sticks to the old ways (that are proven to work) rather than experiment with “new forms” of consecrated life.
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Even with the exposure of the intricate cover-up of sex abuse that we had in the early 2000’s in the media, it mostly involved (or maybe entirely involved the Western Church.)
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Why do you think that is? I think it is evidence the East is doing something right.
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The West certainly does not have the market cornered on falling to temptations, passions and sin. A former priest of the BCCA is now a prominent leader of the gay community in a large city in the USA and is the editor of a gay publication.

I’ll leave other examples (which are not isolated) in the interest of charity.
 
we had a saying in my sweet old protestant church…“more God, more Satan”
while i really dont want to get into a theological discusion about “more God” and what that means and who can have more…blah blah blah…what i will say is when a group is doing God’s work in a big way it will be noticed by the public. and with this comes a heavy dose of Satan’s tricks. sadly that usually means that some will fall into his traps with the whole world watching.
i get so worried when a single group of christians or a individual chrisitan starts becoming known for their piety. i think “that’s alot of pressure. I sure hope they dont stumble” but if they do then…what was meant for evil, let God use it for good.
 
Juama said:
I think the East is doing something right…

I mean we have all these controversies in the West with these “new groups” that act as cults.

I mean people have accused Legionaries, Opus Dei, Neocatecumenate, Communion and Liberation, Focolare, of being cults. One only needs to do a google search to find testimonies of members of these groups.

I haven’t heard of any Eastern Catholic monasteries with ex-members complaining of such abuses…

Maybe it’s because the East just sticks to the old ways (that are proven to work) rather than experiment with “new forms” of consecrated life.

Even with the exposure of the intricate cover-up of sex abuse that we had in the early 2000’s in the media, it mostly involved (or maybe entirely involved the Western Church.)

Why do you think that is? I think it is evidence the East is doing something right.
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Swell:D , BUT your also doing something VERY WRONG:eek:

Now can we be humble enough to God’s Will?

ONE Church Brothers and sisters… everything else is price and rebellion.
 
SedesDomi said:
The East is doing everything right.👍
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That can’t be true, unless you claim that there are no sinners in the East. Because we are not divine, it is inevitable that there will ALWAYS be some problems in East, West and Orient. It is just that in view of Christ’s promise, those problems will never overcome the Church.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
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