The Easter Vigil ruined

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Roseeurekacross said:
Should absolutely reflect that everything is done for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the Liturgy of the Word and to the glory of God.
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There in lies the problem. This reinvention of the Vigil has fallen woefully short.
Roseeurekacross said:
So why not attend Holy Thursday Vigil at another of those 3 Churches? You are only punishing yourself by keeping away from your favourite night.
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I didn’t know there was a Holy Thursday Vigil mass.

It would be nice to serve in the church where I was confirmed for the Easter Vigil just like I did for my first 13 years as a Catholic, but since I can’t recognize the liturgy anymore, it’s best I skip it all together. Last year we spent Easter with the Benedictine sisters, It was awesome. They’re gone now, but the memory will last for a very long time.
 
No, but after the first year this happened I have my doubts about it being a valid mass it had changed so much.

That’s foreign to my Catholic experience.
 
tad said:
Holy Thursday Vigil mass.
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I am not sure of the Official terms. We have Mass, watch, night prayer

You know, it might pay to be open to how the new Priest is celebrating and keeping vigils and welcoming new Catholics into the Church.

Our biggest skill to hone is listening. Being foreign to an experience doesnt make that experience wrong,

You don’t need to serve, you can sit and celebrate, you can join in Adoration and night prayer.

You can pray for and share in the joy of the newly minted Catholics.
 
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My pastor would skip every other OT reading for the sake of time at the Vigil. This never bothered me. I assumed he had the right to do it.
 
Our Easter Vigil generally lasts 3-3 1/2 hours. 4 hours if you come to light the fire for the burning of the palms.
 
Today I attended mass and they had the same gospel as you talk about, with audience participation. Isn’t that licit?
 
Hear, hear!
I think that for many people who respond, they have never experienced any real liturgical abuses at Mass, and they can’t imagine it happening. So it’s easier to ‘blame the victim’ and to insinuate or declare that it’s not ‘the priest’s’ problem, it’s the person who is experiencing the problem who is the ‘real problem’.

Because if any given priest could suddenly start ignoring the rubrics, if the abuses describe really ARE happening, and aren’t just some 'rigid stupid person’s over-reaction to a ‘non-event’. . .then it could start happening at their parish.
 
I’ve heard liturgical inconsistencies, like saying parts of the mass differently, but never a change in the essential rites. I can’t imagine how that would feel.
 
To be clear, I’m talking specifically about the Easter Vigil when we welcome new Catholics into the Church. It’s my favorite night of the year.

I did serve with this new priest for three years. Last year I gave up, handle it any more. The last year I served, we confirmed a six year old.

As is my custom, I’ll watch the Easter Vigil from Rome on TV. In years past I would be able to recognize that what was going on in Rome was the same thing that we just did at my homely, little parish. Not so much lately.
 
Is this on the Saturday night or Thursday night.

I think the Word Vigil is a point of confusion here.
 
tad said:
I did serve with this new priest for three years. Last year I gave up, handle it any more. The last year I served, we confirmed a six year old.
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You may not agree with or like this practice, but if the child was entering the church through the RCIC process, all the sacraments of initiation can be given at once. Not all priests handle the initiation of children this way, but it is permissible under the rites.
 
tad said:
I did serve with this new priest for three years. Last year I gave up, handle it any more. The last year I served, we confirmed a six year old.
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Whilst other things are an issue, this is not. Restored order of the Sacraments mans that entire dioceses are confirming shortly after the age of reason, before communion…so 7-9 year olds.
 
When children over the age of reason are Baptized they do receive Eucharist and Confirmation at the same time.
They have been enrolled in a children’s version of RCIA and receive the same as the adults. That is how it’s supposed to be. Some pastors make them wait for their sacraments, but that’s not how we’re supposed to do it with children whose parents let this go so long or, are converting with their parents.
 
@tad, so we have determined one thing you don’t like is actually how it is supposed to be.

What else is happening that ruined the Vigil? Specifics, please.
 
CD45 said:
This discussion reminds of the time a few years ago when I was lector for the mass and the priest, calling me by name, asked in a loud voice, “We’re running a little long here, do you think we should skip saying the Creed?” To which I shrugged and said, “sure”. And the father did. My take is priests run the show and call the shots.
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WHAT!!?!?!?
  1. a lector should not be leading the creed
  2. a priest has no right to skip the creed
 
The Easter fire is for lighting the new Easter candle, symbolizing the Light of Christ in the world. The palms are to be burned for and prior to Ash Wedsnsday, not at the Vigil .
 
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