The Easter Vigil was very disappointing

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My gosh, NO ONE? We had, like, 20 baptisms and almost 30 confirmations, and a half dozen girls in beautiful white veils
That is wonderful! We have about 3 or 4 infant/small child baptisms a week and this year 7 adult baptisms and about 15 confirmed (wasn’t counting so I’m not sure). That is a light year compared to the previous three years (when we joined this parish). We had 120 regular teen confirmations this year also. We always have to split that into 2 Masses.

Anyway, the Vigil was 3 hours for us. Beautiful liturgy and only well-behaved kids! come visit next year!!!
 
From what I’m reading, most of the things that may have gone wrong were the fault of people in the pews, not the celebrants. I don’t blame the celebrant if some person forgets to turn off his cell phone or plays with it. People are told to turn them off. It’s common sense. You shouldn’t even have to be told. The same with people whispering to each other. Common sense tells you that you are disturbing others.

There are some people who don’t connect the dots too well. You can’t say that it’s the mass. These same people do it at a movie theatre. They talk on the phone or talk to each other and it’s annoying.

I was recently hospitalized and the man next to me got visitors, which is fine. But the noise and the cell phones were not allowing me to rest on my side of the curtain. That’s why I say that some people don’t connect the dots, not matter where they go.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
From what I’m reading, most of the things that may have gone wrong were the fault of people in the pews, not the celebrants. I don’t blame the celebrant if some person forgets to turn off his cell phone or plays with it. People are told to turn them off. It’s common sense. You shouldn’t even have to be told. The same with people whispering to each other. Common sense tells you that you are disturbing others.

There are some people who don’t connect the dots too well. You can’t say that it’s the mass. These same people do it at a movie theatre. They talk on the phone or talk to each other and it’s annoying.

I was recently hospitalized and the man next to me got visitors, which is fine. But the noise and the cell phones were not allowing me to rest on my side of the curtain. That’s why I say that some people don’t connect the dots, not matter where they go.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
However, in my sad case, it all came from the top of the parish totem pole. He was the one who had the idea to use the ilicitly paraphrased version of the Exultet, complete with the bongo drums, reducing the psalms and the Alleluia to one verse apiece and every thing else that went wrong.
 
I agree. The Masses that had fewer than all 7 readings or hymns the posted didn’t like where not doing anything illicit. People being rude, dressing inappropriately, or children acting up at 9pm at night are not at all the fault of the priests.
From what I’m reading, most of the things that may have gone wrong were the fault of people in the pews, not the celebrants. I don’t blame the celebrant if some person forgets to turn off his cell phone or plays with it. People are told to turn them off. It’s common sense. You shouldn’t even have to be told. The same with people whispering to each other. Common sense tells you that you are disturbing others.

There are some people who don’t connect the dots too well. You can’t say that it’s the mass. These same people do it at a movie theatre. They talk on the phone or talk to each other and it’s annoying.

I was recently hospitalized and the man next to me got visitors, which is fine. But the noise and the cell phones were not allowing me to rest on my side of the curtain. That’s why I say that some people don’t connect the dots, not matter where they go.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Travelled nationally as a speaker in them for about two decades, so - yeah, I’ve been to a couple.

During “praze-n-worshup” there will be din and movement.

During the sermon, there will be “Amens” or other responses from the congregation, however, if a kid is sitting there playing video games - well, the parents would simply not permit it. They may be vocal in response to the “movement of the spirit”, but, yucking it up with buddies will get you a tap on the shoulder from an usher. Same for a howling baby, the usher will come and tell you to take the child out and show you were the “baby coatcheck” is.
Baby Coatcheck–that’s cute!

The hand-held video games were used by quite a few of the children in Evangelical Protestant churches that I attended. I always thought it was appalling, but then, it’s up to their parents. I suppose the parents feel that since the sermon is not easily understood by children, they may as well play quietly rather than disturbing people.

It all goes back to the fact that Evangelical Protestant worship services are primarily centered around the “sermon” or “message.” They are “lectures,” meant for teaching and admonition and exhortation. This is definitely a “grown-up time.” There are no sacraments in the Evangelical Protestant churches, and the only Presence of Jesus is in each other (Christians). So the goal of a parent who has to have a child with them in church is to keep that child quiet so that everyone can hear the sermon. Many evangelical churches offer some kind of Children’s Church so that often, there are very few children in a worship service. There is really no reason whatsoever to ever bring a child into a worship service, other than to hear the music, which is often excellent.

Catholic Mass is quite a different thing altogether. The Mass is where heaven and earth come together, and we open the “curtain” and get a glimpse into heaven. Christ’s sacrifice is re-presented. We eat the Flesh and drink the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. He is Truly Present, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.

So of course children can be at Mass, to see Jesus. Jesus said, “Let the children come to me.” He did not say, “Let the children come and listen to a lecture by a man or woman who is offering their personal interpretation (led by the Holy Spirit, of course) of the Bible.”

I think that Weigert’s recent article was interesting, and if I were a young mother, I would probably opt to take the Catholic Church up on their teaching and leave my very young children and babies at home with Daddy while I enjoyed a child-free Mass, and then I would come home and watch the little ones so that Daddy could also experience a child-free Mass. That’s just my way. I would teach the children about God and their Church at home (which is what I did with my children while we were Protestant) and then ease them into Mass gradually, perhaps bringing them for just a few minutes and then leaving, and gradually increasing the time that they remain. Again, just my way, and I’m not saying that everyone should do it my way.
 
I think that Weigert’s recent article was interesting, and if I were a young mother, I would probably opt to take the Catholic Church up on their teaching and leave my very young children and babies at home with Daddy while I enjoyed a child-free Mass, and then I would come home and watch the little ones so that Daddy could also experience a child-free Mass. That’s just my way. I would teach the children about God and their Church at home (which is what I did with my children while we were Protestant) and then ease them into Mass gradually, perhaps bringing them for just a few minutes and then leaving, and gradually increasing the time that they remain. Again, just my way, and I’m not saying that everyone should do it my way.
I think that way raised a Saint or two in the past. St Therese comes to mind.
 
I hope this doesnt make me a terrible person but about two years ago, our Easter Vigil was so poorly done, I gave up and started watching it on EWTN. But we must remember that not all priests are gifted when it comes to the liturgy. Some try to make it so simple that it is simply like any other Mass of the year. I can remember we had a priest that celebrated the most beautiful easter vigil I can remember.
 
However, in my sad case, it all came from the top of the parish totem pole. He was the one who had the idea to use the ilicitly paraphrased version of the Exultet, complete with the bongo drums, reducing the psalms and the Alleluia to one verse apiece and every thing else that went wrong.
Bongos?! No kidding?! I had to settle for ecclesiastical Latin and Gregorian chant while you cats got Ritmo Suave!

Brings to mind the scene from The Mambo Kings when the Andy Garcia & Antonio Banderas characters, fresh in from Cuban, heard that unmistakable run being laid down by Arturo Sandoval’s smokin’-mad-sick-legendary bongocerro Willie Bobo! But I digress…

In the interest of tolerance, you may wish to reserve judgment of what may or may not be licit within the context of a contemporary Catholic Mass. Your pastor was probably advised by a professional Liturgist - an expert - who is paid to know more about totem poles than average Catholics. One thing’s for sure though. Folks always get more of what they tolerate.

Can you get me a soundtrack?
 
However, in my sad case, it all came from the top of the parish totem pole. He was the one who had the idea to use the ilicitly paraphrased version of the Exultet, complete with the bongo drums, reducing the psalms and the Alleluia to one verse apiece and every thing else that went wrong.
You said in an earlier post that you gave your (name removed by moderator)ut at the liturgy meeting and it was not followed. You did the best you could. At this point, I would suggest that you let it go and move on. We do ourselves a lot of spiritual harm perseverating on an unpleasant experience. The most important part here is that you did get to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus, even if it was to bad music and bongos. Nothing can take that reality away.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I have to add that the 10 AM Mass was chatty before Mass began, but my mother told me that the 8 AM Mass was not chatty at all. I had to go take a few extra hosts to the back before Mass began and put them in two ciborums and I didn’t notice any chattiness. It was very reverent. I noticed that the earlier Masses tend to be quieter. I wonder why that is.
 
I have to add that the 10 AM Mass was chatty before Mass began, but my mother told me that the 8 AM Mass was not chatty at all. I had to go take a few extra hosts to the back before Mass began and put them in two ciborums and I didn’t notice any chattiness. It was very reverent. I noticed that the earlier Masses tend to be quieter. I wonder why that is.
I’ll take two guesses.
  1. People are not quite awake.
  2. In most parishes the early masses attract an older crowd.
If you want to see chatty go to a Latin American mass. It does not make a difference if it is Hispanic or Brazilian. Latin Americans are very chatty. They are very devout once the mass begins, but before and after they are chatty.

The Italians in Southern Italy are too, especially in Rome and southward.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
My parish’s Easter Vigil was not a joyful occasion. Although the lectors did an excellent job proclaiming the readings for the most part (we had all seven), the Exultet was slaughtered beyond recognition. Unfortunately, we have a sad custom of using bongo drums and chanting a paraphrase of the official text of the prayer.

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The Exultet is the Church’s official prayer. It should not be paraphrased. It needs to be chanted as is. The only option is to use the short form as found in the Roman Missal.
Benedictgal, my parish replaced the Exultet with Bernadette Farrell’s “Christ Be Our Light.” :crying:

❤️ Love is Patient
 
I guess that’s one reason I like the earlier Sunday Mass. It’s usually quieter and more reverent than the late morning one. I had a conversation with my mom about it, and before this year we always went to the 10 AM Easter Sunday, and she told me that she’d prefer going to the 8 AM Mass from now on. We always go to the 8:30 AM Mass on Sundays.
 
Benedictgal, my parish replaced the Exultet with Bernadette Farrell’s “Christ Be Our Light.” :crying:

❤️ Love is Patient
I know this wasn’t directed to me, but reading the Today’s Liturgy magazine put out by OCP for Lent - Pentecost, for the Easter Vigil they recommended that the Easter Vigil text of “Christ Be Our Light” be used for the Exsultet. I wanted to scream!

Surely, I don’t understand how they think something like that could replace the Exsultet. It’s definately not a licit thing to do, and people have been notified about this, and yet OCP still gets away with it.
 
… Your pastor was probably advised by a professional Liturgist - an expert - who is paid to know more about totem poles than average Catholics… .
A degree in liturgy is only as good as the institution that offers it.
The night before my father-in-laws funeral several years ago the “pastoral associate” with her M.A. in Liturgy from a prominent Jesuit university was asked to lead the family in the Rosary, which she did, sort of.
She did not have a clue what prayers were in the rosary or the order in which they were said. She botched the first two mysteries and made up the rest.
With “expert” advice from these “professional liturgists” it is no small wonder that so many Easter Vigils are illicit.
I can only hope that I have the opportunity to attend a real Catholic Easter Vigil at some time in the future.
 
Bongos?! No kidding?! I had to settle for ecclesiastical Latin and Gregorian chant while you cats got Ritmo Suave!

Brings to mind the scene from The Mambo Kings when the Andy Garcia & Antonio Banderas characters, fresh in from Cuban, heard that unmistakable run being laid down by Arturo Sandoval’s smokin’-mad-sick-legendary bongocerro Willie Bobo! But I digress…

In the interest of tolerance, you may wish to reserve judgment of what may or may not be licit within the context of a contemporary Catholic Mass. Your pastor was probably advised by a professional Liturgist - an expert - who is paid to know more about totem poles than average Catholics. One thing’s for sure though. Folks always get more of what they tolerate.

Can you get me a soundtrack?
My pastor did not get advice from a professional liturgist. He enjoys being creative. In fact, the whole thing was one big liturgical train wreck (by this I mean Triduum). The Good Friday liturgy was butchered. Rather than have the pastor, the parochial vicar and the deacon read the Passion, my pastor decided to have the deacon and two lay people read the Passion in chunks. The documents clearly state that the first order should go to the clergy. The laity are the last resort. But, if this option is used, the priest must read the part of Christ. The Passion was also broken down into Spanish and English sections, something that is not allowed. It needs to be proclaimed in one language, English or Spanish. The only good thing was that the faithful spontenously read the parts of the crowd.

Then, before the homily, my pastor had the choir sing Mary Did You Know after the proclamation of the Passion. It was plain horrible. Not only is the song anti-Catholic, but, it has not place before the homily. We are not Protestants. A friend of mine, a convert, just exchanged perplexed glances with me.

Furthermore, I told the chair of the new liturgical committee that what my pastor was planning was not licit and I was brushed off and ignored. Professional liturgists are not always the best resource because some of them will go by what feels good rather than what the documents state.

I did call the USCCB and was told that paraphrases of the Exultet are not allowed. Even OCP’s home archdiocese told me the same thing. Ditto for the manner in which the Passion was proclaimed.
 
I know this wasn’t directed to me, but reading the Today’s Liturgy magazine put out by OCP for Lent - Pentecost, for the Easter Vigil they recommended that the Easter Vigil text of “Christ Be Our Light” be used for the Exsultet. I wanted to scream!

Surely, I don’t understand how they think something like that could replace the Exsultet. It’s definately not a licit thing to do, and people have been notified about this, and yet OCP still gets away with it.
Now, I have to write another letter to the CDWDS. After they asked me to send them the ilicit Mass settings, now, they need to see what is happening down here.
 
I know this wasn’t directed to me, but reading the Today’s Liturgy magazine put out by OCP for Lent - Pentecost, for the Easter Vigil they recommended that the Easter Vigil text of “Christ Be Our Light” be used for the Exsultet. I wanted to scream!
The very name of that publication – “Today’s Liturgy” gives me the creeps.

To me it is implying that there was something wrong with “Yesterday’s Liturgy,” and that we are to dump all of our traditions and concoct something “new and improved.”
 
I think that way raised a Saint or two in the past. St Therese comes to mind.
I’m no saint but that’s how my parents raised us in the days before anticipated Masses. If they wanted to go to Mass together our cousins babysat.
 
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