The Eastern Church on Marian Dogma/Doctrines

[GaryTaylor]

I don’t know how some come to believe and other’s see it as no big to-do. I’m of the conviction as has been suggested here right along by many…Grace precedes Knowledge. Its no different than the saying at Lourdes; For those who believe no evidence is required, for those who do not, none can be provided. Or with Jesus/St Thomas in Sacred Scripture…Blessed are those who don’t see and believe.

Which reminds me of the Eucharist which I’m of the impression is why we hear the same line of thinking with so many Orthodox followers regardless of which Church, Antioch, Alexandria, Rome, Constantinople etc. Frankly a large percent already truly believe. Still this belief isn’t being transmitted in a universal sense indicating “unity in communion” by large

The manifestation of the Holy Spirit through the BVM while this confirms the believers faith, so too their responsibility to the Faith increase’s as it develops, intercession increase’s the development no different than a mother with her children. Still yet it serves a greater purpose in the sense that they are signs, quiet as they may be, which are a testimony to the Gospel truth in which the Lord seeks Communion with man. In this sense when man shuts the door on the Lord, He opens the window. Its empathetic and mercy which is indeed rooted in love.

The intent isn’t to satisfy a curiosity or provide passive enjoyment, its to point back to the path, which is the Deposit of Faith.

That is why all my conversation begins and ends with unity/communion.

“Prepare the way of the LORD! Make “STRAIGHT” in the wasteland a highway for our God!” Isaiah 40

 

[Zekariya]

Byzantium? No I do not mean Byzantium
But please let;s not go down the rabbit hole of what is “Ecumencial” - surely you don;t hold that Orthodox belief is limited to what has been declared in a council received as Ecumenical. If you think that there is teaching against this Confession, please provide the sources that contest the perspectives that I have quoted.

Indeed. The discussion was about the Eastern Churches not the Oriental Churches, and that is what I responded to.

I know that the Eastern Orthodox reject the notion of transubstantiation. I also know that they supposedly believe what the majority of the Eastern Orthodox Fathers believe.

In the Catholic Church there is no: Eastern Churches and Oriental Churches. The Eastern Church comprises of all of the Churches that are not part of the West. The Byzantine Rite is one of many. Do you think that the “Eastern Catholicism” forum is for only the Byzantine Rite?

 

[dvdjs]

I know that the Eastern Orthodox reject the notion of transubstantiation.

This is a problem. Major works on Orthodox theology affirmed the notion of transubstantiation from the 1600’s, when the issue arose in the East, to at least the 1950’s. Yes, we now have some EOrthodox who reject the notion. Clearly, there is some ‘splainin’ to do; it does not suffice to simply assert that the EOC rejects this notion. And if anyone were to suggest that this recent perspective is the continuous tradition of the EOC, that suggestion would contradict reality.

In the Catholic Church there is no: Eastern Churches and Oriental Churches. The Eastern Church comprises of all of the Churches that are not part of the West. The Byzantine Rite is one of many. Do you think that the “Eastern Catholicism” forum is for only the Byzantine Rite?

I am very well aware of the OrientalO and OrientalC churches. I am not familiar with their history on the notion of transubstantiation, and have made no statements about it. However, since the EOC is clearly part of the East, any suggestion that the East rejects the notion is inaccurate and potentially misleading.

 

[RyanBlack]

I know that the Eastern Orthodox reject the notion of transubstantiation. I also know that they supposedly believe what the majority of the Eastern Orthodox Fathers believe.

In the Catholic Church there is no: Eastern Churches and Oriental Churches. The Eastern Church comprises of all of the Churches that are not part of the West. The Byzantine Rite is one of many. Do you think that the “Eastern Catholicism” forum is for only the Byzantine Rite?

That is not correct. There are Eastern Churches, not one Eastern Church. There are 22 Eastern particular churches in communion with the Church of Rome.