The Eastern Schism - Causes and Characters

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Well Cerularius is not considered a saint and there is absolutely nothing he personally could have done to prevent the schism. Lots of things happened before and after 1054 that led to and cemented the division.
There is nothing the patriarch of Constantinople could have done to prevent the schism.

Okay. If you say so.

Looking back, do you think this power-hungry prelate made the right decision considering the impact he had on you, your family and the lives of millions of people now separated from their Western brothers?

IOW, if you had a do-over, would you make the same call Caerularius made?
 
Caerularius did not “cause” the schism, as you are falsely claiming. For example, Pope Urban II sent a letter to Constantinople inquiring why he was not in the diptychs there, and the synod provisionally added him to the diptychs while awaiting his typikon (a letter announcing his enthronement and containing a statement of faith), as was customary (friendly exchanges like this after 1054 is why most historians do not think 1054 was truly the date of the great schism, though it did mark the beginning of increasingly irregular relations between Constantinople and Rome). Of course, the synod in Constantinople did not realize that the papacy had fundamentally changed by this point, meaning that they would not receive a typikon. Nevertheless, despite the post-gregorian reform papacy not conforming to proper protocol, even this was not enough to cause a lasting rift. It was the crusaders who caused that. They drove out the legitimate patriarchs and set up their own usurper patriarchs in Antioch and Constantinople, both of whom were recognized by Rome, thus formally creating a schism, which would never be truly healed.
 
There is nothing the patriarch of Constantinople could have done to prevent the schism.

Okay. If you say so.

Looking back, do you think this power-hungry prelate made the right decision considering the impact he had on you, your family and the lives of millions of people now separated from their Western brothers?

IOW, if you had a do-over, would you make the same call Caerularius made?
No there is not one thing Cerularius could have done to prevent the schism. If the excommunications of 1054 had never happened there would still have been a separation. It would have taken a whole series of different decisions by a large number of people over a very long period of time to prevent it.
 
Caerularius did not “cause” the schism, as you are falsely claiming.
I believe I wrote “Causes and Characters” because those are two different things.

Further, I have suggested based on my limited (and possibly false) understanding that Caerularius took advantage of existing anti-Roman prejudice to further his own aspirations.
For example, Pope Urban II sent a letter to Constantinople inquiring why he was not in the diptychs there, and the synod provisionally added him to the diptychs while awaiting his typikon (a letter announcing his enthronement and containing a statement of faith), as was customary (friendly exchanges like this after 1054 is why most historians do not think 1054 was truly the date of the great schism, though it did mark the beginning of increasingly irregular relations between Constantinople and Rome). Of course, the synod in Constantinople did not realize that the papacy had fundamentally changed by this point, meaning that they would not receive a typikon. Nevertheless, despite the post-gregorian reform papacy not conforming to proper protocol, even this was not enough to cause a lasting rift. It was the crusaders who caused that. They drove out the legitimate patriarchs and set up their own usurper patriarchs in Antioch and Constantinople, both of whom were recognized by Rome, thus formally creating a schism, which would never be truly healed.
And what dates would you assign to these latter events involving the Crusaders?
 
I believe I wrote “Causes and Characters” because those are two different things.

Further, I have suggested based on my limited (and possibly false) understanding that Caerularius took advantage of existing anti-Roman prejudice to further his own aspirations.

And what dates would you assign to these latter events involving the Crusaders?
The First Crusade is when the Franks would have created a rival Antiochian patriarch. In 1100, Patriarch John the Oxite was exiled by the Franks to Constantinople, where he was succeeded by thirteen patriarchs (including the highly notable canonist Theodore Balsamon), before the Antiochian Patriarch returned to Antioch in the late 13th century (after Antioch was captured by the Mamelukes; how stinging the irony that the Patriarch of Antioch was only free to return to his see after Muslims took the city away from the Franks who were claiming to liberate the city for Christendom in the first place).

The Latin Patriarchate of Constantinople was established in 1204 following the sack of Constantinople. Yes, far from us “obstinate” Easterners causing the schism, I’m afraid that I must inform you that your Franks and Italian crusaders had a pivotal role in causing the schism (unless you would be so ridiculous as to account us as being “obstinate” for refusing to acknowledge usurper bishops as legitimate). Why, if your Popes had no hand in fomenting the schisms between the West and the Eastern Patriarchates, as you seem to think, did they acknowledge these usurpers instead of the legitimate bishops who had been displaced by force?
 
Have you read the litany of false accusations against Constantinople in the Bull of Excommunication which Cardinal Humbert threw down on the altar of Hagia Sophia after walking in in the middle of the liturgy. In my opinion the whole thing was orchestrated deliberately to antagonise the patriarch.
Yes. It is hard to judge, looking backward, but it certainly seems like a great deal of hubris and cultural ignorance (resulting in disrespect).
Have you read what the Normans did to churches and monasteries under Constantinople’s jurisdiction which led to Patriarch Michael’s response?
Yes. Shameful.
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what you have presented is not history.
It is, from a certain point of view.
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What of the completely uncanonical council of 863 in Rome which decided against the Constantinopolian council despite not being comprised of bishops from the region in question as required by canon law?
This is a problem that appears to continue to this day.
Perhaps you can also explain how for 200 years and the reign of 50 Popes, Rome accepted the council of 879 as the “Fourth Council of Constantinople” and regarded the 869 council as a robber council, then at the end of the 11th century, suddenly did an about face, and without fanfare or explanation, shelved the 879 council and reinstated the false council of 869, calling it the “Fourth Council of Constantinople”?
Can’t.

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This of course ignores the forcing of Latin customs on Byzantine churches in Southern Italy by the Normans without any response from the Pope condemning the actions. Since the West had long been demanding Southern Italy be placed back under Rome’s jurisdiction, you can appreciate how that must have looked to Constantinople.**

And from my studies, it seems that Latinizations were quite widespread.
 
Well, that is what the articles in my OP said.

The problems began with Photius, and an anti-Rome party formed that never dissolved. Cerularius was simply the capstone of that movement.
Yes, the rocks that started the avalanche. But the cultural, linguistic, political and economic chasm had been widening for centuries.
 
On the topic of Fr. Grumel’s review of Dvornik, I would point you to a few other scholarly reviews of Dvornik’s work. In fact, Grumel and Dvornik basically agreed on most major aspects of the events surrounding the Photian schism except for what the attitudes of Popes after John VIII, and how the synod of 869-70 was regarded by contemporaries and future generations in the West.

In general, the slanderous accounts that you and other apologists dig up concerning St. Photius are probably largely based on the works of Cardinals Baronius and Hergenröther, many claims of which were actually discredited by the independent work of Grumel and Dvornik.

As Frederic H. Chase, writing a review of Dvornik’s The Photian Schism in Traditio, Vol. 7 remarks "The classic version of the history of Photius—Photius ‘the prevaricator,’ ‘the adulterer,’ ‘the eunuch,’ the arch-enemy of Papal claims—first took definit form in the Annals of Cardinal Baronius. It received its final and definitive treatment in the monumental work of Cardinal Hergenröther on Photius. Indeed, with the apperance [sic] of Hergenröther’s book the question of Photius seemed settled for all time. Drawing upon all the resources of his great scholarship, the eminent Cardinal had thoroughly worked over a great mass of material, both published and unpublished, and presented the world with the version of Baronius carefully brought up to date and heavily reinforced. This became accepted as the last word on the subject and has so remained up until comparatively recent times.

However, as far back as 1895 A. Lapôtre question the authority of the anti-Photianist collection of documents which is found forming an appendix to the Acts of the Eighth Ecumenical Council and which, together with the Vita Ignatii of Nicetas, is the principle source utilized by both Baronius and Hergenröther. Again, in 1923, some of Cardinal Hergenröther’s assumptions were criticized by E. Amann in his article on Pope John VIII in the Dictionaire de théologie catolique. Since then, two scholars, working quite independently of each other, have so completely discredited the anti-Photianist Collection that the second excommunication of Photius by John VIII, for which this collection is the sole source, is now generally rejected. These two scholars are Venance Grumel and Francis Dvornik. Father Dvornik’s attention was first drawn to the unreliability of the hitherto accepted sources through his investigations in connection with his work on Saints Cyril and Methodius. Carrying his researches still further, he discovered more and more points upon which the traditional history of Photius stood in need of revision. The result of these researches were presented step by step in a series of articles and studies appearing in various periodicals. In the work at hand the author has gathered together into one comprehensive study all his conclusions together with the essential substance of the evidence and the line of argumentation. The result is an entirely new version of the story of Photius from the time of his first elevation to the patriarchal throne of Constantinople down to his death more than thirty years later.

As the subtitle would imply, the work is divided into two main parts. The first is devoted to the history of the Photian affair, while the second traces with infinite care the growth of what the author calls the ‘legend,’ that is, the version which received its final expression in Hergenröther’s Photius*. The points of difference between the traditional and the Dvornik version are so numerous that it would be impossible to enumerate them all here, let alone discuss them. Attention, however, should be called to some of the principal ones.*
 
At the very beginning the author points out a fact that seems to have escaped most historians, namely that the Photian and Ignatian parties were merely the manifestations of two currents which had long existed in Byzantium and which long before had found expression in the notorious Greens and Blues of the Circus. These were what Dvornik calls the Moderates and Extremists. The Moderates, represented by Photius and the enigmatic Gregory Asbestas, were the ‘partisans of “oeconomia,” the liberal policy of compromise in matters not concerning the fundamentals of the faith’ (p.8). In the aftermath of Iconoclasm they had advocated moderation in the handling of the remnants of the Iconoclastic party. The Extremists, represented by St. Igantius, were the ‘intransigent ultra-conservatives, who held that Church prescriptions should be carried out in all circumstances and with the utmost rigour’ (ibid.). These last included the more conservative monks and in particular the Studites. With all this in mind, one finds that the whole matter of the struggle between the Photianists and the Igantianists takes on an entirely new aspect. It is no longer a question of a struggle between Papal and anti-Papal parties. We find that Photius was not such an opponent of Papal prerogatives as we had supposed and that St. Ignatius himself, who has always been considered to have been on the side of the Pope, actually came very close to finding himself arrayed against the Pope on at least two occasions—once in connection with his condemnation of Gregory Asbestas and again in connection with the question of ecclesiastical jurisdiction over Bulgaria. Even the role of the mysterious bishop of Syracuse, Gregory Asbestas, becomes more clear when we realize that he was the head of the party of the Moderates. The whole affair is reduced to a question of internal Byzantine politics—ecclesiastical and civil.

In regard to the deposition of St. Igantius, Cardinal Hergenröther, relying entirely upon Nicetas and the anti-Photianist Collection, holds that Ignatius did not resign voluntarily. That Ignatius did in fact resign voluntarily Dvornik has demonstrated fairly satisfactorily (Part I, ch.ii), not only from more or less impartial evidence but from the words of some of the most fanatical of the Ignatianists—e.g. Metrophanes of Smyrna and the monk Theognostos…

In other words, the claim made on the first page that St. Photius ascended to the throne after the illegal deposition of Ignatius is almost certainly false. Even St. Ignatius’ most rabid partisans seemed to have admitted that he did in fact resign and was not deposed as Hergenröther claims (it is also true that St. Ignatius later attempted to rescind his resignation, though why this should have invalidated his resignation after the fact is anybody’s guess).
 
Just one last question before I drop this thread from my reading list:

According to OrthodoxWiki,

On July 16, 1054, Cardinal Humbert placed a notice of excommunication on the altar of the Great Church of the Hagia Sophia that he had prepared, and then two days later the papal delegation fled to Rome. As Pope Leo died on April 16, the excommunication was not a ‘’bull’’ as it wasn’t signed by a pope, and Leo had not seen or signed it. However, in return for their actions Patriarch Michael excommunicated Cardinal Humbert and the Pope, followed by removing the name of the pope from the diptychs, thus symbolicly creating the Great Schism.
What is the source for Constantinople removing the pope from the dyptychs? As fas as I understood, only Humbert, Peter of Amalfi and Frederick of Lorraine were excommunicated.
If Leo had not seen or signed the notice of excommunication, why did Caerularius excommunicate him?
Where does one find a spare bull of excommunication lying around when you are so far from home?
Did Caerularius know that Leo had no knowledge of the excommunication? Or was Caerularius simply looking for any excuse to make his play for control of the Eastern church?
Have you stopped beating your wife? When you answer that question I’ll answer yours.
 
Looking back, do you think this power-hungry prelate made the right decision considering the impact he had on you, your family and the lives of millions of people now separated from their Western brothers?
Power hungry prelate? I didn’t think pope Gregory VII was the subject of the discussion.
 
Andrew Louth the background of the mutual anathemas: (From Greek East and Latin West pp. 306-8):

In the 1030s the Byzantines had made an attempt to reconquer Sicily, but only recovered the eastern coast. Traditionally, this part of the word–Sicily and “Magna Graecia,” “Great Greece”–was Greek-speaking; it was Greek-speaking Byzantine Christianity that had survived Muslim rule and Byzantine Christianity that was restored. However, it had originally come under the jurisdiction of the Pope, who had considerable landholdings there, but in the eight century, as a result of the pope’s resistance to the imperial will over iconoclasm, the jurisdiction of this area had been transferred to the patriarchate of Constantinople (along with the are of the Balkans known as Illyricum). As we have seen, the pope’s loss of jurisdiction over these areas (and of revenue, too) had long been a bone of discontention between Pope and Emperor. The coming of the Normans disturbed an already fragile situation. They established themselves throughout southern Italy, building castles from which they plundered and then sought to rule the region; later in the century they succeeded where the Byzantines had failed in driving the Arabs out of Sicily.

The initial response of both Pope and Emperor to the Norman presence in Italy was one of alarm. Michael Keroularios, patriarch of Constantinople from 1043 to 1058, sent a friendly letter to Pope Leo IX proposing an alliance against the “Franks.” Nothing came of that initiative. In 1053, both the Byzantine and papal forces suffered serious defeats at the hands of the Normans; Pope Leo was taken prisoner and held in Benevento. As they settled in southern Italy, the Normans encountered Greek Christians following Greek customs, different from the Latin ways. Tolerance was not a virtue much respected by the Normans (nor by many others in the Middle Ages): the Greek ways were suppressed and Latin customs introduced. The cult of Greek saints, for instance, was suppressed (just as the Normans in England suppressed the cult of many of the Anglo-Saxon saints), and devotion to more mainstream Latin saints encouraged, though a few local saints were saved by the efficacy of their miracles. One custom, however, sharply marked off Greek from Latin, and that was the kind of bread used in the eucharistic liturgy–leavened or unleavened–and there were other liturgical differences. There began, in southern Italy of the eleventh century, a different kind of encounter between Greek East and Latin West, which was to become more common over the next century or so. This was an encounter that affected ordinary people, for it concerned what they did when they worshipped. Hitherto, Latin and Greek practices had been geographically separate. Scholars–and merchants, used to local differences–had known about various differences between Eastern and Western Christians, but that was in the realm of theory. Now the differences were on the doorstep; ordinary people became aware of different customs and had to live with them, or not.

Although the pope had no love for the Normans, he could hardly object to their imposition of Latin practices. Christians in the Byzantine Empire, especially in the geographically closer, formerly independent Bulgaria, felt very differently. The suppression of Greek services, and the replacement of ordinary leavened bread in the Eucharist favoured by the Latins, was an affront. The archbishop of Ohrid, the senior Bulgarian bishop, Leo, wrote to John, archbishop of Trani in Apulia, arguing that unleavened bread (azyma in Greek) was not properly bread and that, therefore, the Latin Eucharist was not a genuine sacrament; furthermore, the use of unleavened bread was a Jewish practice, inappropriate for the sacrament of the New Covenant. Leo’s letter, at his request, was translated into Latin, Leo doubtless expecting the Italian episcopate to endorse his arguments. Earlier on Leo himself had been one of the clergy of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople, and was, indeed, the first Greek-speaking incumbent of the see of Ohrid. It has often been suspected that Leo’s letter was written at the behest of Patriarch Michael Keroularios–a charge explicitly made by Cardinal Humbert–but there is no direct evidence that such was the case. News of the suppression of Greek services in Apulia had, however, reach Constantinople, and the patriarch had retaliated by closing some, at least, of the Latin churches there, which served the needs of Western merchants from Venice and elsewhere.

Contrast that with the claim made at the beginning of the thread that, “suddenly in 1053 he sends off a declaration of war, then shuts up the Latin churches at Constantinople, hurls a string of wild accusations, and shows in every possible way that he wants a schism, apparently for the mere pleasure of not being in communion with the West.” It was not Cerularius who started the dispute, but rather the Normans who were attempting to force the Latin rite upon the Greeks living in Magna Graecia, nor was his act of shutting some Latin parishes down a sudden act done out of the “mere pleasure of not being in communion with the West.” In fact, it was an act done out of an effort to protect the Greeks living in Magna Graecia.

In fact, it was the legates who first hurled a string of wild accusations. Cardinal Humbert, in the bull of excommunication, accused the Greeks of treating the Latins as heretics, of rebaptizing Latins, of allowing for clerical marriage, and amusingly, for deleting the filioque from the Creed.
 
JOINT*** CATHOLIC-ORTHODOX DECLARATION
OF HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
AND THE ECUMENICAL PATRIARCH ATHENAGORAS I ***
DECEMBER 7, 1965
Following is the text of the joint Catholic-Orthodox declaration, approved by Pope Paul VI and Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras I of Constantinople, read simultaneously (Dec. 7) at a public meeting of the ecumenical council in Rome and at a special ceremony in Istanbul. The declaration concerns the Catholic-Orthodox exchange of excommunications in 1054.

1. Grateful to God, who mercifully favored them with a fraternal meeting at those holy places where the mystery of salvation was accomplished through the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and where the Church was born through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I have not lost sight of the determination each then felt to omit nothing thereafter which charity might inspire and which could facilitate the development of the fraternal relations thus taken up between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church of Constantinople. They are persuaded that in acting this way, they are responding to the call of that divine grace which today is leading the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, as well as all Christians, to overcome their differences in order to be again “one” as the Lord Jesus asked of His Father for them.
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  2. Among the obstacles along the road of the development of these fraternal  relations of confidence and esteem, there is the memory of the decisions,  actions and painful incidents which in 1054 resulted in the sentence of  excommunication leveled against the Patriarch Michael Cerularius and two other  persons by the legate of the Roman See under the leadership of Cardinal  Humbertus, legates who then became the object of a similar sentence pronounced  by the patriarch and the Synod of Constantinople.


  3. One cannot pretend that these events were not what they were during this  very troubled period of history. Today, however, they have been judged more  fairly and serenely. Thus it is important to recognize the excesses which  accompanied them and later led to consequences which, insofar as we can judge,  went much further than their authors had intended and foreseen. They had  directed their censures against the persons concerned and not the Churches.  These censures were not intended to break ecclesiastical communion between the  Sees of Rome and Constantinople.


  4. Since they are certain that they express the common desire for justice  and the unanimous sentiment of charity which moves the faithful, and since they  recall the command of the Lord: "If you are offering your gift at the altar, and  there remember that your brethren has something against you, leave your gift  before the altar and go first be reconciled to your brother" (Matt. 5:23-24),  Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I with his synod, in common agreement,  declare that:
A. They regret the offensive words, the reproaches without foundation, and the reprehensible gestures which, on both sides, have marked or accompanied the sad events of this period.
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  B. They likewise regret and remove both from memory and from the midst of  the Church the sentences of excommunication which followed these events, the  memory of which has influenced actions up to our day and has hindered closer  relations in charity; and they commit these excommunications to oblivion.


  C. Finally, they deplore the preceding and later vexing events which, under  the influence of various factors—among which, lack of understanding and mutual  trust—eventually led to the effective rupture of ecclesiastical communion.


  5. Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I with his synod realize that  this gesture of justice and mutual pardon is not sufficient to end both old and  more recent differences between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox  Church.


  Through the action of the Holy Spirit those differences will be overcome  through cleansing of hearts, through regret for historical wrongs, and through  an efficacious determination to arrive at a common understanding and expression  of the faith of the Apostles and its demands.


  They hope, nevertheless, that this act will be pleasing to God, who is  prompt to pardon us when we pardon each other. They hope that the whole  Christian world, especially the entire Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox  Church will appreciate this gesture as an expression of a sincere desire shared  in common for reconciliation, and as an invitation to follow out in a spirit of  trust, esteem and mutual charity the dialogue which, with Gods help, will lead  to living together again, for the greater good of souls and the coming of the  kingdom of God, in that full communion of faith, fraternal accord and  sacramental life which existed among them during the first thousand years of the  life of the Church.
 
If Leo had not seen or signed the notice of excommunication, why did Caerularius excommunicate him?
He didn’t, the text of the anathema (which by the way was not a unilateral action of Cerularius, but was done synodally as is traditional) is directed specifically against those who had something to do with its composition. According to the counter anathema, “this impoius document [Humbert’s bull of excommunication] once more will be anathematized along with those who edited it, wrote it or had something to do with it either in will or act.” In other words, the anathema does not include the pope, and it in fact was likely deliberately phrased in such a fashion, because Cerularius suspected that Cardinal Humbert was in league with one of his bitter enemies, Argyrus, and wished not to incriminate the pope, whom he believed to be innocent of the affair.
 
Caerularius did not “cause” the schism, as you are falsely claiming. For example, Pope Urban II sent a letter to Constantinople inquiring why he was not in the diptychs there, and the synod provisionally added him to the diptychs while awaiting his typikon (a letter announcing his enthronement and containing a statement of faith), as was customary (friendly exchanges like this after 1054 is why most historians do not think 1054 was truly the date of the great schism, though it did mark the beginning of increasingly irregular relations between Constantinople and Rome). Of course, the synod in Constantinople did not realize that the papacy had fundamentally changed by this point, meaning that they would not receive a typikon. Nevertheless, despite the post-gregorian reform papacy not conforming to proper protocol, even this was not enough to cause a lasting rift. It was the crusaders who caused that. They drove out the legitimate patriarchs and set up their own usurper patriarchs in Antioch and Constantinople, both of whom were recognized by Rome, thus formally creating a schism, which would never be truly healed.
This right here is really the beginning of the true break
 
But in addition to his issues with Cardinal Humbert, Cerularius’ political ambitions are well-documented…
By Psellos, right? I think the Keroularios was probably a thoroughly unpleasant and ambitious man, but Psellos was no saint either; both were personally involved in the byzantine power-struggles at the Byzantine court.
 
The article goes on to say that Caerularius wanted to be both emperor and “pope” of the East.
I’m sure you can see the irony of saying this about a Constantinopolitan Patriarch on the eve of the Gregorian reforms…
 
The First Crusade is when the Franks would have created a rival Antiochian patriarch. In 1100, Patriarch John the Oxite was exiled by the Franks to Constantinople, where he was succeeded by thirteen patriarchs (including the highly notable canonist Theodore Balsamon), before the Antiochian Patriarch returned to Antioch in the late 13th century (after Antioch was captured by the Mamelukes; how stinging the irony that the Patriarch of Antioch was only free to return to his see after Muslims took the city away from the Franks who were claiming to liberate the city for Christendom in the first place).

The Latin Patriarchate of Constantinople was established in 1204 following the sack of Constantinople. Yes, far from us “obstinate” Easterners causing the schism, I’m afraid that I must inform you that your Franks and Italian crusaders had a pivotal role in causing the schism (unless you would be so ridiculous as to account us as being “obstinate” for refusing to acknowledge usurper bishops as legitimate). Why, if your Popes had no hand in fomenting the schisms between the West and the Eastern Patriarchates, as you seem to think, did they acknowledge these usurpers instead of the legitimate bishops who had been displaced by force?
So, after the sack of Constantinople, the Latin Patriarchate was established - essentially forming a branch office of Rome right in the heart of the eastern empire, and because of this…what? The East was justified in schism?

You might be right. I’m just asking.

Now to back up a few years…Caerularius lived about 150 years earlier. So, it seems like the schism was a done deal long before the events you describe.
 
JOINT*** CATHOLIC-ORTHODOX DECLARATION
OF HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
AND THE ECUMENICAL PATRIARCH ATHENAGORAS I ***
DECEMBER 7, 1965
Following is the text of the joint Catholic-Orthodox declaration, approved by Pope Paul VI and Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras I of Constantinople, read simultaneously (Dec. 7) at a public meeting of the ecumenical council in Rome and at a special ceremony in Istanbul. The declaration concerns the Catholic-Orthodox exchange of excommunications in 1054.

1. Grateful to God, who mercifully favored them with a fraternal meeting at those holy places where the mystery of salvation was accomplished through the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and where the Church was born through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I have not lost sight of the determination each then felt to omit nothing thereafter which charity might inspire and which could facilitate the development of the fraternal relations thus taken up between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church of Constantinople. They are persuaded that in acting this way, they are responding to the call of that divine grace which today is leading the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, as well as all Christians, to overcome their differences in order to be again “one” as the Lord Jesus asked of His Father for them.
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  2. Among the obstacles along the road of the development of these fraternal  relations of confidence and esteem, there is the memory of the decisions,  actions and painful incidents which in 1054 resulted in the sentence of  excommunication leveled against the Patriarch Michael Cerularius and two other  persons by the legate of the Roman See under the leadership of Cardinal  Humbertus, legates who then became the object of a similar sentence pronounced  by the patriarch and the Synod of Constantinople.


  3. One cannot pretend that these events were not what they were during this  very troubled period of history. Today, however, they have been judged more  fairly and serenely. Thus it is important to recognize the excesses which  accompanied them and later led to consequences which, insofar as we can judge,  went much further than their authors had intended and foreseen. They had  directed their censures against the persons concerned and not the Churches.  These censures were not intended to break ecclesiastical communion between the  Sees of Rome and Constantinople.


  4. Since they are certain that they express the common desire for justice  and the unanimous sentiment of charity which moves the faithful, and since they  recall the command of the Lord: "If you are offering your gift at the altar, and  there remember that your brethren has something against you, leave your gift  before the altar and go first be reconciled to your brother" (Matt. 5:23-24),  Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I with his synod, in common agreement,  declare that:
A. They regret the offensive words, the reproaches without foundation, and the reprehensible gestures which, on both sides, have marked or accompanied the sad events of this period.
Code:
  B. They likewise regret and remove both from memory and from the midst of  the Church the sentences of excommunication which followed these events, the  memory of which has influenced actions up to our day and has hindered closer  relations in charity; and they commit these excommunications to oblivion.


  C. Finally, they deplore the preceding and later vexing events which, under  the influence of various factors—among which, lack of understanding and mutual  trust—eventually led to the effective rupture of ecclesiastical communion.


  5. Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I with his synod realize that  this gesture of justice and mutual pardon is not sufficient to end both old and  more recent differences between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox  Church.


  Through the action of the Holy Spirit those differences will be overcome  through cleansing of hearts, through regret for historical wrongs, and through  an efficacious determination to arrive at a common understanding and expression  of the faith of the Apostles and its demands.


  They hope, nevertheless, that this act will be pleasing to God, who is  prompt to pardon us when we pardon each other. They hope that the whole  Christian world, especially the entire Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox  Church will appreciate this gesture as an expression of a sincere desire shared  in common for reconciliation, and as an invitation to follow out in a spirit of  trust, esteem and mutual charity the dialogue which, with Gods help, will lead  to living together again, for the greater good of souls and the coming of the  kingdom of God, in that full communion of faith, fraternal accord and  sacramental life which existed among them during the first thousand years of the  life of the Church.
After reading this, my sense of the state of affairs is this:

CATHOLICS: We’re really sorry for all the things we did to you. Please come home.

ORTHODOX: We’re really sorry for the things you did to us, too. And thanks, but no thanks.

Thus endeth the dialogue.
 
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