The End of Pornography?

[mwok]

Hi,

I was in the middle of a contraception vs. abstinence debate on a different thread that has since been closed.

I never got a reply from them and got to thinking…

Where would pornography be without contraception?

THOUGHTS?

 

[Telstar]

I would suspect that it wouldn’t make any difference, at all. As long as abortion on demand is available, there will always be pornographers, the same way there have always been prostitutes. I’m sure they’d find ways of doing whatever it took to make sure their ‘business’ didn’t fail.

BTW… I hope you won’t be holding your breath, waiting for ‘Naf’ to respond. I just noticed in that other thread that he’s been banned.

 

[TimothyH]

Hi,

I was in the middle of a contraception vs. abstinence debate on a different thread that has since been closed.

I never got a reply from them and got to thinking…

Where would pornography be without contraception?

THOUGHTS?

This is a vitally important question which you have asked. This question strikes at the root of the problem.

Artificial contraception has created a culture of with an insatiable appetite for recreational sex. This insatiable appetite for sex, enabled through contraception, is what fuels the damand for porn as well as abortion, and has caused a whole host of other ills including half of it’s children are born into homes without fathers and the social problems that go along with that.

Prior to the 1930’s, no Protestant denomination taught that contraception was sinful. The Anglican Church allows contraception in 1930 and by 1940, all the other mainstream Protestant denominations taught that contraception was always sinful. The children of that generation grew up and made contraception available over the counter in the 1950’s. The generation of children that grew up with freely available contraceptives in the 50’s and early 60’s was the generation which legalized abortion in 1970.

Contraception is the root cause of many of these problems, abortion included. This is not my own opinion but many in the Catholic Church are coming to understand this. An excellent article reprinted by Catholic Exchange is at tinyurl.com/24ndyrg

-Tim-

 

[Warrior1979]

I believe pornography would exist even without contraception, simply due to the nature of man. Contraception is the product of man’s nature, not the other way around.

 

[Rascalking]

I believe pornography would exist even without contraception, simply due to the nature of man. .

If you ban something, it generally goes underground. It doesn’t, except in rare cases, get eradicated.

I’m not saying porn shouldn’t be banned, I’m just saying what I think would happen.

 

[Bezant]

This is a vitally imporant question which you have asked. This question strikes at the root of the problem.
Artificial contraception has created a culture of with an insatiable appetite for recreational sex. This insatiable appetite for sex, enabled through contraception, is what fuels the damand for porn as well as abortion, and has caused a whole host of other ills including half of it’s children are born into homes without fathers and the social problems that go along with that.
Prior to the 1930’s, no Protestant denomination taught that contraception was sinful. The Anglican Church allows contraception in 1930 and by 1940, all the other mainstream Protestant denominations taught that contraception was always sinful. The children of that generation grew up and made contraception available over the counter in the 1950’s. The generation of children that grew up with freely available contraceptives in the 50’s and early 60’s was the generation which legalized abortion in 1970.
Contraception is the root cause of many of these problems, abortion included. This is not my own opinion but many in the Catholic Church are coming to understand this. An excellent article reprinted by Catholic Exchange is at tinyurl.com/24ndyrg-Tim-

That’s like saying there wouldn’t be war if we didn’t have nukes and guns.

Contraception can certainly support promiscuous and irresponsible behaviour, but it can also prevent irresponsible consequences. The only differences between promiscuity centuries ago and promiscuity in the last fifty-add years, is that the latter’s more open, more tolerable, and legal. Banning contraception or pornography won’t make people responsible or virtuous sex partners.

 

[CopticChristian]

Hi,

I was in the middle of a contraception vs. abstinence debate with Naf623 on a different thread that has since been closed.

I never got a reply from them and got to thinking…

Where would pornography be without contraception?

THOUGHTS?

Same as it has always been…

What CNN and television did for what is happening in the world, making it available and accessible, showed us what was always there. It did not discover something new.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

 

[mwok]

Same as it has always been…

What CNN and television did for what is happening in the world, making it available and accessible, showed us what was always there. It did not discover something new.

I think the Internet would be a closer comparison to what you described. I believe Pope Paul VI was onto something when Humanae Vitae was authored, I think that without contraception people would have more respect for life, as well as the body. And I believe Pope John Paul the Great said something about that in Evangelium Vitae.

 

[fred_conty]

It is worse today because of all the electronic availability. There are thousands of
sites making it accessable to anyone, especially kids. TV, Movies, Games, Phones,
and whatever else has been concocked has it. It is almost as easy to get as air for
the lungs. And that is getting harder to get too. And then because there is so much of it, people begin to fool themselves into believing that it isn’t so bad since so many do it.

We have a priest friend who moved from our parish, and he said he now has a group
of people he meets with weekly with that problem. In his opinion it is worse than
drugs or alcohol to recover from.

Just a thought.

 

[mwok]

It is worse today because of all the electronic availability. There are thousands of
sites making it accessable to anyone, especially kids. TV, Movies, Games, Phones,
and whatever else has been concocked has it. It is almost as easy to get as air for
the lungs. And that is getting harder to get too. And then because there is so much of it, people begin to fool themselves into believing that it isn’t so bad since so many do it.

We have a priest friend who moved from our parish, and he said he now has a group
of people he meets with weekly with that problem. In his opinion it is worse than
drugs or alcohol to recover from.

Just a thought.

I agree, I find it shocking when I talk to my male co-workers that they see no harm in watching, or even reenacting, porn. The only ones who seem to see the connection are my law enforcement pals who see what following an addiction to pornography leads to, and they all agree that it all starts with TV/Internet and then leads to more graphic/base pictures.

On an aside, a priest/friend of mine who I on occassion go to for spiritual direction warned me that pornography is one of the first steps satan uses to destroy a man and his family. The way he put it, he seperates the man from his wife and kids with pornography; when he has sufficiently hooked the man and alienated him from his family he finishes him(with this my friend drew his thumb across his neck to demonstrate to what effect satan deals with mankind); once the man is out of the picture for good he directly attacks the wife and kids left behind.

But just so I don’t go WAY off topic, I believe that pornography would not have such a hold on society without a contraceptive mindset/lifestyle.

 

[Tony888]

There has always been pornography because there has always been ‘natural man’.
While it is more available now, I think the way past it can only be through spiritual growth
One must move beyond the ‘natural man’ controling your life.

 

[Publisher]

Porn is available now on the Internet…it is not related to contraception or abortion…the things that people thought behind closed doors…their fantasies lived out are NOW lived out thru porno…grandmas and grampas who have Internet access are looking at porn as frequently as younger people…the porn industry is “suffering” now that porn on the Internet is so accessible.

 

[KathleenGee]

Many years ago, I read an article that stated when abortion was made legal, the pornography industry knew it was now legally established in our country.

The bottom line was separating the sex act from the creation of the child.

‘Let’s have sex’…‘let’s make a baby’ are really the same thing.

We have to return to protecting the innocence of the child, which in my progressive state is not on people’s awareness level, especially because the educators want to make it most progressive in sex ed, starting in first grade and going up to grade twelve, vaginal, oral, anal.

The electronic imposition of pornography and pornographic or seductive images have replaced the religious ones.

It is also sad to know that there are Christians who consider religious icons and Catholic statues with almost the same disdain and condemnation as pornography.

 

[Publisher]

Many years ago, I read an article that stated when abortion was made legal, the pornography industry knew it was now legally established in our country.

The bottom line was separating the sex act from the creation of the child.

‘Let’s have sex’…‘let’s make a baby’ are really the same thing.

We have to return to protecting the innocence of the child, which in my progressive state is not on people’s awareness level, especially because the educators want to make it most progressive in sex ed, starting in first grade and going up to grade twelve, vaginal, oral, anal.

The electronic imposition of pornography and pornographic or seductive images have replaced the religious ones.

**It is also sad to know that there are Christians who consider religious icons and Catholic statues with almost the same disdain and condemnation as pornography./**QUOTE]

That is a bit of an exageration I think…there are Christians who disdain the WORSHIP of religious icons and statues…it may be a misunderstanding of Orthodox/Catholic practice…but surely you’re not suggesting a statue of Mary is as reprehensible to some Christians as seeing a woman “gang banged” on the big screen.

 

[GaryTaylor]

The Internet has become the exploitation. At least before this age it was limited to seedy areas in the inner citys, then its spread out to better middle class communitys. Now its just plain out of control.

The survey with HS kids is 53% are viewing porno by their freshman year and 78% by their senior year. I don’t know who did the stats. but I heard it on “Life on the Rock” on EWTN.

Craigslist as turned into a playground for sexual psychopaths. I was juggling around with used USA guitars, just to make an exrta buck here and there on Craiglist. Now when they ask where I want meet? McDonalds at Lunch time.

Peace

 

[Warrenton]

There would certainly be less pornography.

At present, pornography and promiscuity are endemic to our societies.

One could look at it like a disease. Half the people can be sick if all treatment is withheld. If we do something, the disease still exists, but much fewer people suffer from it.

 

[KathleenGee]

Immediately prior to the 60’s sex revolution, virginity was valued, there wasn’t all the std’s…and we also listened to beautiful love ballads.

Try to listen to Jerry Vale’s Italian romance music that reflects the deep love. I would like to play it for young adults because it would contrast with what they hear today.

 

[KathleenGee]

Publisher…

Of course don’t have that kind of picture you described in regards to Mary; but I am responding to the fundamentalists who consider us pagan venerating her. I had a Four Square gospel lady visit my home, and I have a statue of Mary of Grace with some candles next to it and the lady put her hand up to her face and cringed. We are friends, and she was very kind to come to a banquet honoring Mary, and left saying she had a better understanding.

Wish people could re-think pornography, to go back to have respect for the human body like they do the trees.

 

[amber_lux]

Where would pornography be without contraception?

The issue is how porn is defined.

Erotica has always been around. Even immortalized.

The vocabulary used to describe the work is what is critical.

Amber

 

[Andromedus]

It would probably be less of it but it would still exist, something related to this is prostitution and that has been around for a while and existed a beaverish long time before the first condom was even thought of.