The end of Protestantism

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No need to:get it", I am just wondering what this has to do with the specific claim that Protestantism may be coming to an end? Are you saying they are becoming more orthodox or secularism is invading more and more as you suggested in your last post?
Just building on what you posted. The chain of quotes of Protestantism dying out because secularism is prevalent. I feel like Evangelicals are more likely to be against secularism than Catholics, so it’s an odd argument.
 
Just building on what you posted. The chain of quotes of Protestantism dying out because secularism is prevalent. I feel like Evangelicals are more likely to be against secularism than Catholics, so it’s an odd argument.
I agree
 
I don’t think I would call a “valid priesthood” and the “understanding of the Eucharist” just minor variations !! They make all the difference in the world !! God Bless, Memaw
You overlooked the sarcasm 😛
 
Just building on what you posted. The chain of quotes of Protestantism dying out because secularism is prevalent. I feel like Evangelicals are more likely to be against secularism than Catholics, so it’s an odd argument.
I agree, but then there are fewer Evangelicals than Catholics. For Evangelicals commitment is pretty much essential to being Evangelicals. And a good many Evangelicals are Catholics who left their Church due to many reasons, but they are still considered Catholics by the Church.

A Catholic is a Catholic even if he is a very poor one and only give his faith lip service. There is always the hope that the lax Catholic and the fallen away Catholic will hunger for more so his faith will rewakened and be rediscovered.

As the choices become sharper, as more churches give into secular values (even some Evangelicals have given way by accepting SS marriage and divorce and remarriage, for example, as all right) the Church will stand out as the truest expression of Christianity in the world. And for that reason she will be heavily persecuted, and we will see more and more martyrs.
 
Glad you found a home where you can build your relationship with Jesus Christ! I am an Evangelical revert. I was Baptist growing up, converted to Catholicism and found my way back home in Evangelicalism.
Here’s the problem with that choice.

Protestantism is material heresy. The Great Heresies in history ]. Protestantism regardless of stripe, is 100% human tradition of men. And it has morphed to divisions on steroids. We know exactly when Protestantism started and who started each sect.

The Catholic Church, which you left, is the one and only Church Jesus said He will build, and gave all His promises to it #34 .

therefore, How would you respond to Paul’s warning…which btw, has no expiration date to it?

Titus 3:10
“As for a man who is factious ( αρετικν heretic ), after admonishing him once or twice, have nothing more to do with him, 11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sinful; he is self-condemned.”

Speaking of condemned

Paul condemned division and those who do it [Rom 16:17…, Gal 5:19…] #8** ,** #24

likewise THose warnings have no expiration date to them. They’re as valid when Paul taught them, as they are today and forever…
 
Just building on what you posted. The chain of quotes of Protestantism dying out because secularism is prevalent. I feel like Evangelicals are more likely to be against secularism than Catholics, so it’s an odd argument.
I know more Catholics that are pro choice, pro gay marriage…etc than I do Evangelicals.

Good point
Here’s the problem with that choice.

Protestantism is material heresy. The Great Heresies in history ]. Protestantism regardless of stripe, is 100% human tradition of men. And it has morphed to divisions on steroids. We know exactly when Protestantism started and who started each sect.

The Catholic Church, which you left, is the one and only Church Jesus said He will build, and gave all His promises to it #34 .

therefore, How would you respond to Paul’s warning…which btw, has no expiration date to it?

Titus 3:10
“As for a man who is factious ( αρετικὸ****ν heretic ), after admonishing him once or twice, have nothing more to do with him, 11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sinful; he is self-condemned.”

Speaking of condemned

Paul condemned division and those who do it [Rom 16:17…, Gal 5:19…] #8** ,** #24

likewise THose warnings have no expiration date to them. They’re as valid when Paul taught them, as they are today and forever…
Guess I am a heretic then. 🙂
 
That’s nothing to smile about
Sure there is. If you wish to degrade someone because they do not believe the Catholic Church to be the one true church then that is ok with me. I simply smile!

I was raised Evangelical, converted to RCC and back to Evangelical. As you guys say often…I am home now. 👍
 
Sure there is. If you wish to degrade someone because they do not believe the Catholic Church to be the one true church then that is ok with me. I simply smile!

I was raised Evangelical, converted to RCC and back to Evangelical. As you guys say often…I am home now. 👍
I don’t degrade anyone. Anymore than Paul who I quoted degraded anyone

Home is the only Church Our Lord established. The Catholic Church. And that is soooooo easy to prove in writing going back to the 1st century.
 
I don’t degrade anyone. Anymore than Paul who I quoted degraded anyone

Home is the only Church Our Lord established. The Catholic Church. And that is soooooo easy to prove in writing going back to the 1st century.
Well then I am glad you are apart of the Catholic Church that you believe is the One True Chur h. 👍

I am also apart of the Church Jesus Christ established on earth. It is called the Christian Church. 🙂
 
Wouldn’t that be true for Catholicism as well then? The poster specifically mentioned Protestantism.
Maybe for some Catholic people. those so called “Cafeteria Catholics” they may be leaning towards secularism, but not for the teachings of the Catholic Church. Check it out, who stands strong on the teachings given us by Jesus Christ. His Church whom HE promised would NEVER teach error. If one is teaching error, that is proof it’s not they One, True Church founded by Jesus Christ. God Bless, Memaw
 
Don’t worry about it, that will never happen, Trust the Holy Spirit to protect Christ’s Church !! Pray for those that may be in error. God Bless, Memaw
 
Very early in the Church’s history Arianism nearly took over the Church–the majority of bishops favored the heresy. But, by God’s grace and guidance of the Holy Spirit that didn’t happen. Arianism and every other heresy that’s come along has been squashed and are now just footnotes in history.

Heresies come and go, people wanting to change Church teachings, come and go, but the Church cannot teach error. It’s not “our” Church, it’s Christ’s Church–that’s what desenters and heretics (formal or material) can’t seem to understand.
 
And at least for us, sola scriptura isn’t something that is “taught”. Its a practice, not a doctrine. I wasn’t “taught” sola scriptura in catechetical class.
I also wasn’t given a Bible and told to go figure out what it means, which is what some seem to believe SS to be.
Once upon a time, many centuries ago, I was taught it: I was explicitly told that the Bible was the only source of truth. This idea was then reinforced by the attitude taken to the Bible in various Protestant churches which I attended or visited.

Now, I’m Anglican, and things work differently.

As usual, Protestantism varies.
 
At the very least, Protestantism will die out when Christ comes again. I’d wager it will die out long before that though. The very nature of Protestantism is to be schismatic. It will continue to cut itself into pieces until eventually it dies from blood loss.

Steve b’s post makes Paul’s teaching on the subject plainly clear. Any group which chooses to separate itself from Christ, the fount of life, is doomed to death.
Here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=12883589#post12883589

My mind comes up with so many thoughts at once, like an explosion, that I often have to write everything down so that I can think through all of them. It’s really annoying and frustrating 😦 I’m still contemplating the many applications and objections to these ideas and arguments, so I’ll probably write more later. You might want to think about how the “picking and choosing arbitrarily” mentality applies to today’s relativism.

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
Do you think Protestantism will die out? I think so.
In the very long term maybe. But not so fast.
  • Protestantism “sounds so good, it has to be true.” After all, it makes sense that the Bible is the only authority on faith and morals, right? Salvation is guaranteed if we believe, and we are saved by faith, not works, right? So the Catholic faith is a works-based salvation and therefore wrong, right? These are the teachings Protestants grow up with. Most never question them enough to turn Catholic.
  • Mass is intimidating and unknown to Protestants. The idea that Mary has a high position is absolute sacrilege to Protestants, although the Hail Mary is a direct Bible quote! Also the relative lack of Biblical knowledge of Catholics is unimpressive to Protestants. Wanna convert them? Out-Bible them.
  • The entertainment factor of Protestant churches will always be a draw, and draws in less educated people. Most Catholic converts today converted due to their intellectual analysis. Not too many with only a high school diploma convert from another faith.
  • A lot was said when Swedish prominent Evangelical Ulf Ekman converted to Catholicism. But the Evangelical church he founded has grown bigger since his departure. Such is the continuing power of Protestantism.
 
Do you think Protestantism will die out? I think so.
That’s kind of a generalized question that is much harder to answer than to ask. Where in particular do you see it dying? In the US or Europe? If so, what are the circumstances? Many factors, such as economics, prosperity (or lack thereof), wars, population drops all figure in such a question.
In the prosperous, materialistic, wealth-driven US, mega-churches are big. But when circumstances change, they can disappear like the morning dew when the sun comes up.
 
Sorry, Goya, I had to shorten your post a little to fit in my comments. :o
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IMO, Protestantism will never end, because it is profitable to individual pastors.
A few individual Protestant pastors make a lot of money, but oh my, they work very hard for it. It’s not an easy way to become rich. Constant travel, or constant on-air appearances, writing books, lots and lots of public speaking, and of course, having your life on view for all to see and judge. There is a sad history of many of these pastors losing their wives and families (children especially suffer under this kind of childrearing), and also losing their health through various addictions, and/or losing their reputation when they fall into sin, often a sexual sin.

If I wanted to make Big Bucks, I would find another way.

But most Protestant pastors struggle financially. Many live on the ragged edge of poverty, and many have wives who go to work outside the home so that they can make ends meet. This is especially true in the non-denominational churches which don’t have a denominational headquarters to help them out when finances get tight.
Add to this how many families are do deeply entrenched generationally, that to reject the faith of your families, is to admit that your grand parents and great grandparents…were dead wrong…that’s just not realistic. E.g.–we still have Judaism; and Judaism still has us. 😃
When I was growing up in the Conference Baptist church, there were a lot of multi-generation families in our church. This is especially true in churches that identify with a certain nationality; the Conference Baptists were formerly Swedish Baptists, and the majority of families in our church were of Swedish heritage, including many with grandparents who actually were born and raised in Sweden. When I was a child, the church still offered worship services in Swedish, and often, we heard Swedish hymns.

But as people in the U.S. are becoming less enamored with their nationality, this is changing in Protestant churches, at least the Evangelical Protestant churches. The only churches that I know of in our city that have strong nationality loyalty are the various African-American churches, but even this is changing as more and more black people marry white people, and as more and more neighborhoods become totally integrated.
IMHO, there is a place for Protestantism in the Church, though I have a heck of a time figuring out what it is.
A while back, I realized that many of the ex-Catholics who attend Protestant churches were abused by priests, or were related to someone who was abused by priests. It occurred to me that one reason why God allows Protestantism to continue is because it provides a refuge for those who have been sinned against by the priests of Holy Mother Church. In other words, it is a punishment (and a severe one!) for Catholicism. In the Old Testament, God showed little or no mercy to priests who sinned.

And there are also many ex-Catholics in Protestant churches who were hurt by the Catholic Church’s stance on divorce and re-marriage. I certainly agree that divorce is of the devil, and a destroyer of marriages and of CHILDREN (children are profoundly damaged when their parents divorce). But many times in a divorce, one of the spouses is totally blameless; perhaps the other spouse commits adultery, or is an abuser, or is addicted, and the whole spouse has no choice but to leave for the sake of his/her safety and health, and/or for the sake of the children’s safety and health.

Many people are confused by the Church’s teaching about divorce and receiving Holy Communion; those questions comes up all the time here on CAF. So a lot of Catholics who have an incorrect understanding of this get angry over the lack of compassion of Catholic parishes, and they head for a Protestant church where they are welcomed and loved (often in a practical way with gifts of food, handyman help, and lots of listening and sharing of tears).

Finally, I think that Protestantism is a refuge for musicians who crave more variety. I know that sounds really self-centered and trivial in the grand scheme of things, but we are kidding ourselves if we don’t pay attention to “music” as a reason for leaving churches. MANY MANY Protestants will admit that they left their former church (Catholic or Protestant) because of the bad music. In the U.S., music isn’t just an interest, it is part of who people are and where they come from–it’s part of our culture, and I personally think that it will and SHOULD become a much bigger issue in the Catholic Church. I think that the Vatican is making a bad mistake to ignore Mass music as an issue. It’s very important to many Americans.
What I foresee ultimately, is not an annihilation or extermination of Protestantism, but a reconciliation of a significant number of protestant churches, with the Catholic Church. Something that would entail private profitability to the protestant clergy, the Sacraments, and a clear delineation of the Pope’s authority over the merged Protestant churches. But that’s clearly pure conjecture, and optimistic at that (I have a weak spot for our separated brethren, particularly being married to one, whose family has several pastors).
Yes, I agree, but I think this will come about in answer to Jesus’ Prayer for unity in John 17. It’s already happening–the group Evangelicals and Catholics Together continues to work for unity, even though its two founders (Chuck Colson and Father Neuhaus) are dead (R.I.P.).
 
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