Actually, I mean every Christian. We are all saints - no one is perfect because we all sin and are stained with the sin of Adam and Eve- original sin.Well, if you mean by everyone “everyone in heaven”, then this is quite Catholic. Everyone in heaven* is* a saint.
Because of the Doctrines the Catholic Church teaches is the reason why we can say She has the fullness of the TRUTH. Christ promised that HIS Church, ( the Catholic Church) would NEVER teach error. The Holy Spirit protects the Church from error. Not because every single Catholic is Holy, or even every Bishop and at times even a Pope. But because in spite of our sinfulness, we have done NO harm to the Doctrine of Truth the Catholic Church teaches. And never will. God Bless, MemawI used to watch The Journey Home fairly often because I was curious as to why people would decide to move to Catholicism. I learned a lot from it and from other shows on EWTN. I was frustrated on occasion with some choices to leave based on incorrect doctrinal issues - especially with the LCMS. Can I remember them directly now - not really but the one that really stuck out in my mind was having to do with Holy Communion. Can’t remember now (I have enough trouble remembering my day to day living) but I remember hollering at the TV that it wasn’t true!
Needless to say he didn’t hear me.
It would be quite interesting if the LCMS would do the same thing with a television show to see the amount of people who become a part of our church and their reasonings. Curious to say the least.
I understand why Catholics do say that they have the fullness of the Truth and I could be enticed over if it weren’t for some of the doctrines taught. Until then, I will be content with the fullness of truth that I get through my Christian life as a Lutheran.
God bless!!
Rita
Well, yes, every Christian is sanctified through her baptism–that’s very Catholic.
Unless you’re writing in old Latin or Greek; which didn’t have capital letters…
He would be counselled and if he remained intractable, he would be excommunicated. It’s hard to picture a scenario where Luther would betray confessions he either wrote himself, or he counselled others in their writings, however. That’s like asking if Johann Tetzel decided that selling indulgences was spiritual moneymaking scam and he refused to have anything to do with it, would he be excommunicated? Of course he would be. He’d probably be removed from his priestly office, tried and burned.
Yes, that is the BIG difference. God Bless, Memaw
Just a follow up question: do you think “we all sin” is correct? Do you think that this little one sins?
Amen, Rita. You raise some great points. Bear in mind that everybody backs their own team and of course a Catholic television network is going to extol the teachings of their church and say why the others are simply wrong all through. Think of it like maybe a competition between two insurance firms… say, Progressive vs. Nationwide. There’s a lot of emotion invested on both sides. People in one firm will say they’re right. Why? They have loads of writings from their own executives saying why they have the better deal and associating with the other company can only lead the parties in question to wrack and ruin. Ultimately, there is little more than financial gain and influence as the goal of either company. Rewind to the sixteenth century. The Church of Rome was the only game in town. They had a lot of power. They could and did extort a lot of money from countries that saw very little return. A German monk, part of a race despised by those across the Alps, said " where can we find justification for all this in Scripture? I used all the disciplines at the Church’s command and I still found myself in despair until I read the Scriptures and found that my works did nothing. God has already taken care of my debt in Jesus." He called for a Council to try to address those issues brought up in his 95 Theses. What happened? Nobody listened. Well, a few did listen, which was why Luther was able to live out his life. There was a Thirty Years’ War fought in Europe to determine the rights of Protestants to exist. Well, that war was won by the Protestants. The Pope didn’t like it, but tough. There was new competition and instead of simply stamping it out, as they did the Albigensians, the Catholics simply took a spiritual tack. That’s fine, so did the Protestants. Europe took its current form ( and the United States was established, as was Australia, Canada and New Zealand) because the combined armies of the Holy Roman Empire, France and Spain couldn’t beat back the Protestant powers of Britain, the Netherlands, Germany’s Protestant League and the Scandinavian Kingdoms. So now, there’s spiritual propaganda. Mediums are being used in radio, television and the internet for each side to express its views and to let the individual decide for him/ herself. Naturally, this is a very Protestant approach.I used to watch The Journey Home fairly often because I was curious as to why people would decide to move to Catholicism. I learned a lot from it and from other shows on EWTN. I was frustrated on occasion with some choices to leave based on incorrect doctrinal issues - especially with the LCMS. Can I remember them directly now - not really but the one that really stuck out in my mind was having to do with Holy Communion. Can’t remember now (I have enough trouble remembering my day to day living) but I remember hollering at the TV that it wasn’t true!
Needless to say he didn’t hear me.
It would be quite interesting if the LCMS would do the same thing with a television show to see the amount of people who become a part of our church and their reasonings. Curious to say the least.
I understand why Catholics do say that they have the fullness of the Truth and I could be enticed over if it weren’t for some of the doctrines taught. Until then, I will be content with the fullness of truth that I get through my Christian life as a Lutheran.
God bless!!
Rita
Original Sin is applicable to every single son and daughter descended from Adam and Eve from conception until death. Yes, they both sin.
Unless I’m writing in old Latin or Greek? Ummm…ok.
Where do you get that idea from?
Perhaps you mean: both toddlers and Down syndrome have Original Sin (until they are baptized, of course, then they have NO SIN), but it’s really a strain of credulity to state that this little one sins.
So the Lutheran paradigm is this?
I’m bowing out of the conversation here I’m not here to argue but to learn and the way this debate is being handled is causing too much irritation in my soul. You all have a blessed day.
The only Sin that little one could have committed is Original Sin and if she’s been baptized, then she’s already a part of the Body of Christ and no sin can be imputed to her.
But we don’t COMMIT Original Sin, LS. We inherit it.
Sure.Unless I’m writing in old Latin or Greek? Ummm…ok.
Exception noted.
So whenever *you *write in old Latin or Greek, please note which type of saint you mean.
The rest of us will continue to note the distinction of capitalizing when we write in the common language of our day.
LOL!!!
Okay. So what has that to do with the veracity of Protestantism? I’ve seen a lot of slides into pedantry when we’re actually discussing a potential spiritual genocide of the faith of millions in the hope that those millions ( and their cash, presumably) would be absorbed into the Roman Catholic Church. Grammar corrections, what Johann Tetzel may more may not ( but probably did) say, how the Catholic Church says the Catholic Church is true ( a logic similar to that of the LDS), interpretations of Scripture held up as favoring the Catholic paradigm, anathemas as Catholics understand them ( very irrelevant to a Protestant situation), dodges, slides, no references to those parts of Scripture where Jesus told the disciples not to hinder somebody casting out demons just because he wasn’t following along with them, people saying " well, Protestants only flourish in lands where ancient languages aren’t spoken ( okay, who cares?)" as if that’s a telling point. How about addressing the issue?
