The ends don't justify the means, stem cell research/ vaccinations

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Father Mitch Pacwa said on his Live tv show this morning that the ends don’t justify the means. He was commenting on how he had a man on his show asking how embryonic stem cell research is wrong and Father Mitch explained it was because it uses aborted babies to try and give life to another human , which is wrong. No doubt, I agree this is wrong, but it reminded me of something that I read before, which is my question…

I read an article somewhere on the web and from that have found out that in order to make certain vaccinations (something that many people deem as good since it helps to save lives) were derived from cells from aborted babies. Not all vaccinations are, but many of the original ones were formed by using cells from two specific aborted fetuses- that is, two human babies who had souls, who were murdered. It was a horror to me to find out that I received as a child at least one of these vaccinations. It was even more of a horror to me to find out the Catholic Church APPROVED this vaccination, stating that it would be for the good of all. What gives?
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So, wouldn't this still fit in with what was taught this morning by Father Mitch- that the Church justified the means by the end that many people would be saved from certain deadly viruses?   Why were vaccinations derived from using cells of an aborted baby ok by the church but stem cell research is not?  It could be that what I read was not true, but just the fact that it was not spoken against back then, when obviously the church hierarchy at the time must have known where these vaccinations came from leaves me feeling very queasy, disgusted, sad, mournful and sick.
Does anyone know more about this? How am I supposed to feel knowing that I am alive because some twisted person out there felt it was ok to kill someone else to make others survive. They obviously felt that the ends justified the means of committing murder… and on top of that the Church approved it! Please don’t tell me “well the mother of the baby was the one at fault because she decided to abort and the baby was already dead” as that would still be indecent. Please don’t tell me it is the same as accepting a donated organ from a murder victim. That to me is still sick as I would plead that no organs should ever be used from a murder victim -if it that was even plausible given usually murder victims are not found early enough- since it could create an easy scenario to have someone murdered by someone else just to harvest organs for someone else. I think I read something like this may be happening in India already where the poor are murdered to get an organ for someone dying. It’s a slippery slope.
 
Father Pacwa is one of my favorite priests to listen to. You are right to be concerned and even outraged. The Church has not defined the specific time when ensoulment occurs but we must treat each embryo as if it were the case. Here is a detailed reply to your question regarding certain vaccines and why the Church permits their use, from the National Catholic Bioethics Center.

ncbcenter.org/page.aspx?pid=1284

Cases of people who are killed for their organs, or have certain organs removed by force, or donate an organ because they live in a poor country, and need the money, is a more complex issue. In the United States, we have organ donation notifications on our driver’s license indicating it’s OK to remove organs for transplant should we die in a car accident. In a recent case, organs were removed and donated from children that were murdered with the consent of the parents. Consent laws means the parents, or “legal guardian,” must give their consent. So, consent, at least in the US, must be given in some way by survivors or a will or some other legal document.

Peace,
Ed
 
AnneElizabeth said:
I read an article somewhere on the web and from that have found out that in order to make certain vaccinations (something that many people deem as good since it helps to save lives) were derived from cells from aborted babies. Not all vaccinations are, but many of the original ones were formed by using cells from two specific aborted fetuses- that is, two human babies who had souls, who were murdered. It was a horror to me to find out that I received as a child at least one of these vaccinations. It was even more of a horror to me to find out the Catholic Church APPROVED this vaccination, stating that it would be for the good of all. What gives?
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Could you name any of these vaccines? To be honest I have my doubts about the origin of this story that starts “somewhere on the web”.
 
Thanks Ed for your reply and thanks for the link. I also enjoy listening to Father Pacwa. I have a few of his books too and he has been so helpful to me and my faith.

In the link you sent it says:

"What does it mean when we say that these products are made in “descendent cells”?

Descendent cells are the medium in which these vaccines are prepared. The cell lines under consideration were begun using cells taken from one or more fetuses aborted almost 40 years ago. Since that time the cell lines have grown independently. It is important to note that descendent cells are not the cells of the aborted child. They never, themselves, formed a part of the victim’s body."

This doesn’t matter to me at all that its not the cells themselves from the victim’s body… because even the ones DESCENDED from the victim’s body are just as evil to me. I don’t understand how this is excused as ok. Its not ok. The ends don’t justify the means!** Its not justified to use cells descended from an aborted baby. ** No way. That is just an excuse! I have no idea how they are justifying this in their minds. It still all came from and started with an aborted baby. A murdered soul.
 
Sam,

I agree that there are many websites that are not trustworthy. I wish I could find the link to the webpage I am talking about but its been a few months. It was only when Father Mitch was speaking this morning that my memory of it was jogged and I asked the question here.

I’m’ sure if you did an internet search on the topic, you could find many websites speaking about it and naming those specific vaccines. I think there are about 6 or 8 of them. They are common vaccines.
 
Most stem cell research is from adult stem cells. The embryonic ones haven’t had much success and can be unstable to work with.
 
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Could you name any of these vaccines? To be honest I have my doubts about the origin of this story that starts “somewhere on the web”.
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I have doubts too, but I have found some traces of an article from the Vatican:
Moral reflections on vaccines prepared from cells derived from aborted human fetuses
I cannot find the original source, but here appears to be a copy:
cogforlife.org/vaticanresponse.htm
The moral issues are analyzed therein. It is too long for me to summarize. The article mentions rubella vaccine.
 
AnneElizabeth said:
This doesn’t matter to me at all that its not the cells themselves from the victim’s body… because even the ones DESCENDED from the victim’s body are just as evil to me.
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In the same vein, do you think that Henrietta Lacks still lives and is immortal?
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The ends don’t justify the means!
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You would have the point if the child was aborted specifically to harvest the cells, but apparently that was not the case.
 
I think what they did to Henrietta Lacks was extremely evil and immoral. I don’t know what you would call it, “immortality” or not, its very corrupt, especially how they never even informed her that they took*** HER ***cells. They are either GOD’S cells or HER cells, not the scientist’s, doctor’s, the state’s, or the public’s cells to take and use in their Frankenstein experiment. Do scientist get free reign over matter ? Why did they claim this as theirs to experiment with? How is this ethical?

And that is my question for vaccinations derived from aborted babies… HOW IS THIS ETHICAL?

Cells derived and grown from aborted baby cells means that two innocents still had to die so that those using them to create vaccines could have them. The ends does not justify the means.
 
SamH said:
Could you name any of these vaccines? To be honest I have my doubts about the origin of this story that starts “somewhere on the web”.
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Sam, this is not an internet myth. This is a well known fact regarding origin of Chickenpox, Hepatitis-A and MMR vaccines from cell lines MRC-5 and WI-38.
 
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