The Entire Bible is?

[MartinJordan]

That will be our difference then.

The Bible is holy because it is the word of God. It is not God’s word verbatim but nevertheless the words are from God because He inspired the authors to write them down. Humans can trample on the words or they can treasure them, but the words are holy because God is, not man.

When we say Bible we still need an Authority to explain it to us, (Ethiopian and Phillip) regardless if one gets some “message” from it in their heart using ones own human limitations. Also recall what St Paul did despite his experience meeting Jesus near Damascus.

MJ

 

[sennincatholic]

Of course…that is what makes us gloriously human and made in God’s image…each of us bears the Light Within…and each of us “interprests” the Truth in our lives…each of us bears 'the image of God".

The Mystery of God is…welll…Mystery.

:dts:
Truth is absolute and not relative.
How can light contradict light?Even though the Holy Trinity is made up of 3 distinct Persons…they are in perfect harmony with each other and share thesame light and truth!

 

[PJM]

=aspirant;10673568]Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the Word of God. The Bible is the word by analogy, not identity.

So my friend,

Everything in the Bible is an anology?

Jesus in your view taught nothing specifically and precisely in the bible?

And you ARE a “catholic”

Please clarify these points and I’ll be happy to respond to them

GoD Bless you,
Pat/PJm

 

[Publisher]

:dts:
Truth is absolute and not relative.
How can light contradict light?Even though the Holy Trinity is made up of 3 distinct Persons…they are in perfect harmony with each other and share thesame light and truth!

You are making the point of “relativity” not me…Light does not contradict Light…but each of us “sees thru a glass darkly”…only then “face to face” will we know Truth fully…until then we rely on faith…faith in Him and His finished work"…“IT IS FINISHED” He cried in triumph…together we can find commonality…but we will never finde absolute Truth in this imperfect world. Anything that is “processed” thru finite minds is imperfect…how we understand Truth thru finite imperfect minds is imperfect…claiming one understands and possesses the Truth doesn’t make it so. It just makes the point of how “dark” that “glass” truly is…our finite definitions of truth blind even us to the Truth sometimes.

The very concept of the “Holy Trinity” is a construct we use to try to grapple with the infiniteness of God and the Mystery of the Incarnation. It is an imperfect construct…as are the creeds…they are not Truth…they try their best…but they are not Truth.

 

[concretecamper]

@sennincatholic: I remember an old saying about wrestling a pig in mud. Your recent exchange with publisher highlights what a lack of God’s authority does to the mind. Remember the saying “I will not serve” and who said it.

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[Publisher]

@sennincatholic: I remember an old saying about wrestling a pig in mud. Your recent exchange with publisher highlights what a lack of God’s authority does to the mind. Remember the saying “I will not serve” and who said it.

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Ahh yes…a Catholic book written by a Catholic authror who put the words into Lucifer’s mouth. Hardly a work of magisterial authority you’ve quoted friend.

I don’t believe I’ve ever uttered those words on this forum…or did you do the same thing as Dante did…put the fictitious phrase into my mouth then quote it? Wonder if your doing so broke any commandment?

 

[concretecamper]

Publisher:

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@sennincatholic: I remember an old saying about wrestling a pig in mud. Your recent exchange with publisher highlights what a lack of God’s authority does to the mind. Remember the saying “I will not serve” and who said it.

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Ahh yes…a Catholic book written by a Catholic authror who put the words into Lucifer’s mouth. Hardly a work of magisterial authority you’ve quoted friend.

I don’t believe I’ve ever uttered those words on this forum…or did you do the same thing as Dante did…put the fictitious phrase into my mouth then quote it? Wonder if your doing so broke any commandment?

haha…feeling guilty my friend? I didn’t attribute any words to you.

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[PJM]

=concretecamper;10672165]First…all Christians need to agree of interpretive authority before your questions are answered.

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AGREED:thumbsup:

And Christ did exactly that

Psalms 127:1 “Unless the Lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.”

Acts.20: 28 “Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God [SINGULAR] which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.”

Mt. 16:18-19 “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church,[singular] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I [Jesus NOW] will give to thee [Peter] the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven”

Mk. 16:14-15 “At length he [Jesus] appeared to the eleven [Apostles] as they were at table: and he upbraided them with their incredulity and hardness of heart, because they did not believe them who had seen him after he was risen again. **And he said to them: **Go ye **into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature” **

Mt. 28;19-20 [Jesus speaking] “Going therefore, teach **ye all nations; **baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you”

2 John 8-9 “Anyone who is so “progressive” as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God; whoever remains in the teaching has the Father and the Son”

Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift"

John.10: 16 “And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd”

BECAUSE THERE IS ONE GOD; THERE CAN BE AND IS; ONLY ONE SET OF FAITH BELIEFS ACCEPTABLE TO HIM. Amen:thumbsup:

 

[concretecamper]

"PJM:

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=concretecamper, post:4, topic:324400"]
First…all Christians need to agree of interpretive authority before your questions are answered.

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AGREED

And Christ did exactly that

Psalms 127:1 “Unless the Lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.”

Acts.20: 28 “Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God [SINGULAR] which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.â€

Mt. 16:18-19 “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church,[singular] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I [Jesus NOW] will give to thee [Peter] the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven”

Mk. 16:14-15 “At length he [Jesus] appeared to the eleven [Apostles] as they were at table: and he upbraided them with their incredulity and hardness of heart, because they did not believe them who had seen him after he was risen again. And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature”

Mt. 28;19-20 [Jesus speaking] “Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you”

2 John 8-9 “Anyone who is so “progressive†as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God; whoever remains in the teaching has the Father and the Sonâ€

Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift"

John.10: 16 “And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherdâ€

BECAUSE THERE IS ONE GOD; THERE CAN BE AND IS; ONLY ONE SET OF FAITH BELIEFS ACCEPTABLE TO HIM. Amen

and that Church is the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church

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[aspirant]

So my friend,

Everything in the Bible is an anology?

That is not what I said. I said that the Bible is called the word of God by analogy to Jesus the eternal Word of God. In other words, we call the Bible the word of God because it is in some respects similar to Jesus. It is even, I would say, a sacramental icon of Jesus through which the faithful can grow closer to Jesus. But analogical similarity also implies dissimilarity: the Bible is not Jesus, not a divine Person, and therefore not the eternal Word of God.

 

[PJM]

=aspirant;10680471]That is not what I said. I said that the Bible is called the word of God by analogy to Jesus the eternal Word of God. In other words, we call the Bible the word of God because it is in some respects similar to Jesus. It is even, I would say, a sacramental icon of Jesus through which the faithful can grow closer to Jesus. But analogical similarity also implies dissimilarity: the Bible is not Jesus, not a divine Person, and therefore not the eternal Word of God.

THANKS, that DOES clarify it

 

[aspirant]

THANKS, that DOES clarify it

:tiphat:

 

[Zooey]

That is not what I said. I said that the Bible is called the word of God by analogy to Jesus the eternal Word of God. In other words, we call the Bible the word of God because it is in some respects similar to Jesus. It is even, I would say, a sacramental icon of Jesus through which the faithful can grow closer to Jesus. But analogical similarity also implies dissimilarity: the Bible is not Jesus, not a divine Person, and therefore not the eternal Word of God.

Thanks for the clarification.