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pnewton
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Perhaps you should actually read James 3:9 and see if you can not see the illogic of following a blessing with an insul.
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bogoljub
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God bless!
2 Thess, 2,15
Therefore, brethren, **stand fast, and hold the traditions **which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thess,36
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
1 Corinth 11,2
I praise you for always thinking about me and for carefully following the traditions that I handed down to you.
1 Thess,5 21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
2 Timoth,1,13
Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1 Corn 15, 2
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Titus 1,9
**Holding fast the faithful word **as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Luke 8,15
But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance
Phil,4,9
The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
Rev,2,25
But what you have, keep safe till I come.
Rev 3,11
'I am coming quickly;** hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown**
Hepr.19,23
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
Rev 12,17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
hebr. 4,14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God,** let us hold fast our profession**
Proverbs 4,13
Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.
Hebr, 3,6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if **we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope **firm unto the end.
Rev 3,3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Hebr 3,14
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Deut, 11,22
"**For if you are careful to keep all this commandment **which I am commanding you to do, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and hold fast to Him,
2 timoth 4,7
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith
Phil 2,16
Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
Act. 14,22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, **and exhorting them to continue in the faith, **and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
John 8,31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Hebr 13,7
Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation
Col 1,23
**If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, **which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister
1 cor 16,13
Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong
2 Tim 1,13
Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus
Matth 7,6
**Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, **neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Matth 5,17-19
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not **come to abolish but to fulfill.**For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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IN CHRIST
So all who follow the scriptures are Pharasees ?
2 Thess, 2,15
Therefore, brethren, **stand fast, and hold the traditions **which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thess,36
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
1 Corinth 11,2
I praise you for always thinking about me and for carefully following the traditions that I handed down to you.
1 Thess,5 21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
2 Timoth,1,13
Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1 Corn 15, 2
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Titus 1,9
**Holding fast the faithful word **as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Luke 8,15
But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance
Phil,4,9
The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
Rev,2,25
But what you have, keep safe till I come.
Rev 3,11
'I am coming quickly;** hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown**
Hepr.19,23
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
Rev 12,17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
hebr. 4,14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God,** let us hold fast our profession**
Proverbs 4,13
Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.
Hebr, 3,6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if **we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope **firm unto the end.
Rev 3,3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Hebr 3,14
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Deut, 11,22
"**For if you are careful to keep all this commandment **which I am commanding you to do, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and hold fast to Him,
2 timoth 4,7
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith
Phil 2,16
Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
Act. 14,22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, **and exhorting them to continue in the faith, **and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
John 8,31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Hebr 13,7
Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation
Col 1,23
**If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, **which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister
1 cor 16,13
Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong
2 Tim 1,13
Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus
Matth 7,6
**Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, **neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Matth 5,17-19
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not **come to abolish but to fulfill.**For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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IN CHRIST
So all who follow the scriptures are Pharasees ?
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jam070406
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So why don’t you keep the Traditions or follow the scriptures concerning divorce, ABC & re-baptism ?God bless!
2 Thess, 2,15
Therefore, brethren, **stand fast, and hold the traditions **which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thess,36
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
1 Corinth 11,2
I praise you for always thinking about me and for carefully following the traditions that I handed down to you.
1 Thess,5 21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
2 Timoth,1,13
Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1 Corn 15, 2
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Titus 1,9
**Holding fast the faithful word **as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Luke 8,15
But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance
Phil,4,9
The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
Rev,2,25
But what you have, keep safe till I come.
Rev 3,11
'I am coming quickly;** hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown**
Hepr.19,23
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
Rev 12,17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
hebr. 4,14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God,** let us hold fast our profession**
Proverbs 4,13
Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.
Hebr, 3,6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if **we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope **firm unto the end.
Rev 3,3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Hebr 3,14
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Deut, 11,22
"**For if you are careful to keep all this commandment **which I am commanding you to do, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and hold fast to Him,
2 timoth 4,7
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith
Phil 2,16
Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
Act. 14,22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, **and exhorting them to continue in the faith, **and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
John 8,31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Hebr 13,7
Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation
Col 1,23
**If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, **which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister
1 cor 16,13
Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong
2 Tim 1,13
Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus
Matth 7,6
**Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, **neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Matth 5,17-19
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not **come to abolish but to fulfill.**For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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IN CHRIST
So all who follow the scriptures are Pharasees ?
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bogoljub
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God bless!So why don’t you keep the Traditions or follow the scriptures concerning divorce, ABC & re-baptism ?
Our discussion becomes idle talk !
- we have seen clearly that the TRADITIONAL church is the orthodox - it is a fact u know clown masses and all other innovations and changings
- what is ABC ?
- re- baptism ??? We have clear canons when we have to re-baptise and when not ! This canons are from ecumenical synods and the great Fathers and Doctors of the Chruch !
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jam070406
Guest
- Again with Clown Mass. Unbelievable. I’m not even gonna address this hogwash because it’s been covered over and over.
- You’ve stated that you would run from a Bishop that didn’t teach truth. But you would rather listen to men in regards to divorce and not the words of our Lord, who said those that divorce and remarry commit adultry.
- Artificial Birth Control.
- We believe in one Baptism. Why do certain Orthodox churches rebaptize even Catholics or others that have already been validly Baptized? If this is not true and I am mistaken then I apologize. But don’t certain Orthodox rebaptize Catholics?
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pnewton
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LOL
We have???
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bogoljub
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God bless !LOL
Please forgive my words !
Yes we have - when u have not than because of :
- You are spritual decepted ( wich I do not think)
- You are lying ???
3 or you are stubborn
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Mickey
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Yes. That is an embarrasing one.
Keep in mind that the RC practice of annulments basically states that the sacrament never really happened in the first place.
NFP
Some jurisdictions hold that the RC baptism is not the “one” (valid) baptism.
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pnewton
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Or
- I am none of the above and you are mistaken.
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jam070406
Guest
Your answers don’t prove anything to me Mick, sorry.Yes. That is an embarrasing one.
Keep in mind that the RC practice of annulments basically states that the sacrament never really happened in the first place.
NFP
Some jurisdictions hold that the RC baptism is not the “one” (valid) baptism.
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Mickey
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I’m not trying to prove anything to you jam.
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SiempreFiel
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Mickey
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Excellent Siemp! Thanks for asking. Care to join us over there at times?How’s OrthodoxChristianity.net Mick?
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Joab_Anias
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I think that sums it up in a concise way.
I would then ask from all for examples of when or how this might be happening within our own churches and in our relationships with others.
Thanks.
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bogoljub
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God bless!
Unbelievable - yes to call the Traditional -untraditional and to accuse them to innovate when it is clear that u are the innovaters-that is really unbelievable ??? When we have Divine Liturgy with the Cherubiim u have clown masses with jokes and costumes!
Are u so intolerant or what is wrong- you call one of the greatest Saints ( he is also a great Saint of the rcc) a man - how long will u go on with such behavier ? You call “man” the canonical decisions of the chruch ?
ABC-- I told u once that marriage is not for the pleasure of the flesh but also not “only” to produce children. So tell me the decisions of the Ecumenical Synods or Canons and we can discuss !
Would u know the early church, u would know that it was often discussed wich heretics should re-baptised and wich not !
It depends on the question if the Mysteries are valid or not and if the Baptism was made in the correct way -otherwise the Baptism is invalid and so to Baptise such person is not re-baptism because the first one was not a Baptism !
You should get more familiar with the early church !
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bogoljub
Guest
God bless!
I am not mistaken,- when you say we do not know wich church is more traditional or not ! You are lying because it is clear. And lying is a sin and more greater when u deny the Holy Spirit !
In CHRIST
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Joab_Anias
Guest
Do you really mean this or is it just a habit for you.
Prayer in vain is not good.
Jas 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
This was a United Church.
So, what are you doing here?
They were handed down to you through the Catholic Church not the new name of EO.
That is what the Catholic Church has done.
I’m sorry but I am missing the love in your posts.
Wheres the context of the one true Church which is the Pillar and Foundation of all truth 2Tim 3:15 and that the gates of hell will not prevail against it. Mat 16:18.
Comes down to the primacy of Peter in the end analysis.
What fruit does it bear if one can insult and blasphem the apostolic Churches of their brothers? (yes, guilty as charged but I am trying and I know you are too).
Amen.
What is it we have from God?
Salvation perhaps?
That faith was professed as one Church until the schism. Nothing changed with the Universal Church afterwards in how it conducts itself. It continues to proclaim the same truth in the same way it did before.Hepr.19,23
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
I would like to think this is all Christians of all flavors.
Yes exacly, One Holy CATHOLIC and apostolic Church.
Enough of that, you get the point.
Not at all. Those who follow their traditions to the exclusion of the greatest commandment are.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like this, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” There is not another commandment greater than these. Lev. 19:18
With this may God bless you and shower His abundant graces upon you and yours.
Your in my prayers.
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bogoljub
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God bless u too!
I really hope God bless us all - like I have told there is no anger or hate in my post - even when it sounds like this !
Dear Joab, I think we should stop at one point, we only will end in idle talk !
You take your quotes from Scripture and interprete it in your way, sometimes you say Tradition is important sometimes you it is not important and call all traditional Phareseers.
Than u go on to say the rcc is the church of old when it is clear that many things have been changed ( many rcc think the same)
You think one Bishop is the foundation of truth when it is clear that he is not - you only have to look at the outcome of your church ( with clown masses, rock masses…abandoning one tradition after the other than going to the yogis and to buddhists…)
I think there is no Basis we can go on in our discussion ! There will be not profit not for u and not for me ! It is only idle talk and that is a sin.
May God bless u and protect you !++++
In Christ, our true God
Glory be to HIM !
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Joab_Anias
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Please understand I do not think tradition is bad. I only think its bad to cause divisions over it.
I can admit all apostolic Churches are the original Church and I do nto think any one Bishop makes up the Church. But scipture is clear on who Jesus founded the Church on. There were 12 with one whom they accepted as primary to settle disputes or speak for the group when needed.
If you think it is idle you simply will not be compelled to reply. I see great humility in you and only wish to dispell misconceptions to build us both up in a closer bond of the same faith.
Peace.
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pnewton
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This is the first time I have ever been accused of lying for holding to my Catholic faith here on this Catholic forum. Did you not agree to abide by the rules when you came here, including:
Do you not see how accusing some one of sin and lying on account of their faith is a show of disrespect?
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