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planter654
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I agree with you in what you are saying. It is finished once and for all do this in memory of me.
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ajk19
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Why would he allow it, if he condemned it?
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LilyM
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Obviously you can’t read - if you could you would’ve seen the very next sentence. In which I discussed VAIN oblations, incense and sabbaths - which sabbaths, remember, God still requires us to keep holy (Jesus himself endorsed all the commandments including that one!) So clearly not all oblations, incense or Sabbaths are vain!
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ajk19
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No need for name calling now, scripture says exactly what it says, and it says that incense is an abomination, bottom line.
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StBenMom
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Then why are you still here??? If your trying to convince us that The Eucharist is NOT the Body of Christ…it’s not gonna happen, pal. Barking up the wrong tree. I honestly believe you did not come here to get the truth. You came here to be an antagonist and no amount of showing you the truth is going to change the fact that it is plain… you just want to be argumentative.
Peace be with you :byzsoc:
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LilyM
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It’s not name-calling to state the truth - you can’t read my posts and you can’t read scripture either.
How can Sabbaths which Christ himself commands us to keep (and THAT is definitely what scripture says) possibly be vain or abominations???
If THEY (Sabbaths) are not only OK but commanded to us by Christ, then so are the incense and the other things OK if not actually positively commanded.
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planter654
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I ask you did God not tell Jesus come sit at my right hand till I make the earth your foot stool. Till every knee shall bend. Just asking you?
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justasking4
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What is the context in which this verse occurs?
Does it mean all incense is an abomination?
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Mannyfit75
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Not necessarily.
There is tons of Biblical passages where incense is used.
Exodus 25
6 Oil to make lights: spices for ointment, and for sweetsmelling incense:
2 Exodus 30
1 Thou shalt make also an altar to burn incense, of setim wood.
3 Exodus 30
7 And Aaron shall burn sweet smelling incense upon it in the morning. When he shall dress the lamps, he shall burn it:
4 Exodus 30
8 And when he shall place them in the evening, he shall burn an everlasting incense before the Lord throughout your generations.
5 Exodus 30
9 You shall not offer upon it incense of another composition nor oblation, and victim, neither shall you offer libations.
6 Exodus 30
20 When they are going into the tabernacle of the testimony, and when they are to come to the altar, to offer on it incense to the Lord,
7 Exodus 30
27 And the table with the vessels thereof, the candlestick and furniture thereof, the altars of incense,
8 Exodus 30
35 And thou shalt make incense compounded by the work of the perfumer, well tempered together, and pure, and most worthy of sanctification.
9 Exodus 30
36 And when thou has beaten all into very small powder, thou shalt set of it before the tabernacle of the testimony, in the place where I will appear to thee. Most holy shall this incense be to you.
10 Exodus 31
8 And the table and the vessels thereof, the most pure candlestick with the vessels thereof, and the altars of incense,
11 Exodus 31
11 The oil of unction, and the incense of spices in the sanctuary, all things which I have commanded thee, shall they make.
12 Exodus 35
8 And oil to maintain lights, and to make ointment, and most sweet incense.
13 Exodus 35
15 The altar of incense, and the bars, and the oil of unction and the incense of spices: the hanging at the door of the tabernacle:
14 Exodus 35
28 And spices and oil for the lights, and for the preparing of ointment, and to make the incense of most sweet savour.
15 Exodus 37
25 He made also the altar of incense of setim wood, being a cubit on every side foursquare, and in height two cubits: from the corners of which went out horns.
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ajk19
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I really am not sure right now, I’m confused…again 
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justasking4
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What do you mean bound by time?
i don’t know. If you claim you do, how do you know?
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planter654
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Yes it still covers of those who come to him today. It is finished once and for all…
Jesus knows the future God knew it all before he created us.
Now I am confused for the Catholic Church tells us Jesus Christ is truly present in the Eucharist! body and blood… Help
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LilyM
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Of course you are, you’ve painted yourself into a corner, especially with the incense thing.I really am not sure right now, I’m confused…again
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Mannyfit75
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Bound by time means within the limits of this world. Consider the glorified resurrected Jesus Christ. In his glorified state, Jesus’ body was no longer bound in time. For one thing, to get from one place to another, we are required to walk, drive, fly, and take the train. Jesus himself appear suddenly. He even appeared to the Apostle while the door in the upper room was closed shut. Jesus even pass through walls.
God is outside time and space.
I would say God is outside time. This is a supernatural ability. He can appear just by thinking about it, and he is there.
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LilyM
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Because I know that God created all things, including time itself. ‘The evening and the morning were the first day’ - day and night, TIME, didn’t exist until He created it!
Therefore He must exist outside of it, just as He exists outside of all of the created universe.
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justasking4
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i would agree. However you are going much farther in your claim to know what the relationship is between God-time and how that works.
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Mannyfit75
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Jesus said, “My flesh is real food indeed, and my blood is real drink indeed.” So yes, Jesus’ presence in present in the Eucharist. His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity are truly present.
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Mannyfit75
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I have already explain how God is outside time and space.
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zerocrossing
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It’s what I tried telling you… there are numerous passages in which incense is used throughout the Bible - and it is pleasing to God.I really am not sure right now, I’m confused…again
It is UNpleasing in the passage you quoted because the people are offering up just a form of worship, not the true worship of the heart.
Even justasking4 called you on this one, and that poster is no friend of Catholicism. I tried to tell you that no Protestant who is well-read in scripture would accept the notion that ALL incense is an abomination before God. According to other passages of scripture, incense is used in the PRESENCE of God in heaven. (see Revelation 8).
As I said to you in my previous post on this subject, you need to understand the context of scripture before you start trying to wield it as a proof text.
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planter654
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I understand what you are saying but our Church seems to change commands this is what I also keep asking them. We do not have the right to change God’s commands or what
God says is abomination and what displeases him right? I am confused.
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