The Eucharist is NOT the body of Christ

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valient_Lucy said:
The Sacrifice of the Mass is the same sacrifice as the Sacrifice on the Cross.
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The book of Hebrews talks of Jesus being the eternal high priest. A priest’s job is to offer sacrifice. If Jesus is the ETERNAL high priest then His sacrifice must be eternal. This is what we enter into each time we present ourselves at the Eucharistic celebration. Whoever does not believe in the Real Presence of the Eucharist is a heretic and not a follower of Martin Luther who authored the divisive Protestant revolt.
 
jimmy said:
So you believe the Son of God ceased to be in heaven at the Incarnation?
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Or for that matter, how could Christ have ascended to Heaven, and yet promise to always be with us, even unto the end of the world?

I don’t think the OP understands that Catholics believe that God created time, and therefore is not bound by time as we are.
 
ajk19 said:
But why the need to do it again? Christ said it was finished, so it should be no?
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When Christ said," It is finished" was there then no need of a resurrection?? Just curious about how literal interpretaion works…teachccd
 
teachccd said:
The book of Hebrews talks of Jesus being the eternal high priest. A priest’s job is to offer sacrifice. If Jesus is the ETERNAL high priest then His sacrifice must be eternal. This is what we enter into each time we present ourselves at the Eucharistic celebration. Whoever does not believe in the Real Presence of the Eucharist is a heretic and not a follower of Martin Luther who authored the divisive Protestant revolt.
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Again I ask if it’s eternal, why the need to do it again? It’s already done and over with, again it was finished.
 
teachccd said:
When Christ said," It is finished" was there then no need of a resurrection?? Just curious about how literal interpretaion works…teachccd
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Maybe there wasn’t then, I don’t really know. But his death was enough to save us from all sin and redeem us, resurrection or not.
 
ajk19 said:
Maybe there wasn’t then, I don’t really know. But his death was enough to save us from all sin and redeem us, resurrection or not.
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You’re serious? First you say that the Bible is your sole rule of faith, and then you tell us that the resurrection might not have happened?
 
ajk19 said:
The Bible very clearly makes mention of not eating flesh and blood as mentioned in Genesis. By claiming to be eating those elements in the eucharist, it goes completely against that.
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Hope you like your steaks VERY well done. And you remove all the skin from your chickens.
 
ajk19 said:
Maybe there wasn’t then, I don’t really know. But his death was enough to save us from all sin and redeem us, resurrection or not.
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1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen again.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen again, then is our preaching vain: and your faith is also vain.
1Co 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God: because we have given testimony against God, that he hath raised up Christ, whom he hath not raised up, if the dead rise not again.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not again, neither is Christ risen again.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not risen again, your faith is vain: for you are yet in your sins.
 
ajk19 said:
That makes no sense, it’s either one or the other, it can’t be both.
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Sure it can. A drinking cup has the essence of a cup and unites itself with all of the cups in the world. If you ask, “What is it?” the answer is “It is a cup”. Now if you take and put dirt and a plant in the cup it’s substance or essence becomes that of a planter. When someone asks,“What is it”? you would say that it is a planter and it unites itself with all of the planters in the world. Even though it’s outward appearance may resemble the cup, its essence or what is it, is a planter.

After the consecration the “what is it” is no longer bread and does not unite itself with all of the bread in the world. The “what is it” becomes the Body, Blood , soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. What a beautiful gift. I can only pray for those who refuse to accept such an infinitely perfect gift of Christ Himself. But then many walked away as they still do today…God Bless…teachccd
 
ajk19 said:
That makes no sense, it’s either one or the other, it can’t be both.
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The change is one of substance. When Christ said “This is My Body”, he was referring to the Eucharist’s substance. We know its accidents haven’t changed because It looks, smells, tastes like, and has the effects of, bread.

If you don’t think this is logical, I would take it up with St. Thomas Aquinas. Maybe you know better than him!
 
ajk19 said:
Maybe there wasn’t then, I don’t really know. But his death was enough to save us from all sin and redeem us, resurrection or not.
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12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised; 14and if Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain. 15We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised Christ—whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised. 17If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have died* in Christ have perished. 19If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

1 Corinthians 15: 12-19

It appears that St. Paul disagrees with you.
 
Perhaps an analogy would be helpful. Let us say that we have put a lamp in a house with many windows. As we pass by the windows, we see the light. As we pass by the walls, we do not see the light, but it is continually burning. Therefore, we do not relight the lamp each time we pass by a window; the lamp is burning independently of our passing by.

To translate: the Sacrifice of Calvary is the lamp, it is an eternal, timeless reality. When we attend the Holy Mass, we are passing by a window to Calvary–that is, the light of Christ’s sacrifice shines down through the ages and is made present every time the Mass is said. No matter how many windows we pass by, there is still one light continually shining, just as every Mass is truly one sharing in that continually merit-bearing sacrifice.

Admittedly, this analogy is imperfect, as Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross does not just bear us merit when we attend Mass–indeed, it touches every part of our lives. But it is when we are at Mass that we are placed at the foot of the Cross. As Archbishop Fulton Sheen of blessed memory said in the introduction to the book “This Is the Mass:”
If the Blessed Mother and St. John at the foot of the Cross had closed their eyes when Our Lord was offering himself for the sins of the world, the spiritual effects on them would have been no different from those which we may receive as we assist at the Sacrifice of the Mass. But if their eyes were open, there would have been this difference:** they would have seen the sacrifice offered in bloodshed with blood pouring from gaping holes in hands and feet and side. In the Mass, we see it performed without bloodshed.**
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So to sum up, the Mass is not a re-sacrificing of Christ anymore than walking past our analogy house’s windows is a re-lighting of the lamp therein. We cannot re-sacrifice Christ, as he offered his sacrifice once and for all. But we can still share in the salvific merit of that sacrifice every time we go to Mass.

-ACEGC
 
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