The Eucharist is NOT the body of Christ

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mercygate said:
God’s Word, in Catholic teaching, is not limited to the Bible. The Bible is the inspired and inerrant WRITTEN Word of God. The Word, as others have noted, is Christ Himself and Sacred Tradition constitutes part of the Word of God as lived out in His Body – the Church.
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This Sacred Tradition that you refer to is it also inspired and inerrant?
 
mercygate said:
You have got to be trolling. Confession and Mary not in the Bible? Gimme a BREAK!

There is no teaching or practice of the Catholic faith that cannot be supported from Scripture. Not ONE.
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Not so. There is no teaching or exhortations in the scriptures to pray to Mary nor of her assumption.

In terms of Confession you don’t find any confessing of sin and that person is given absolution by a priest or anyone else.
 
PatienceAndLove said:
Second Epistle Of Saint Peter 3:8
But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
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I agree this is in Scripture and thereby true. However, claims are being made to the effect to know how God interacts in this world. To claim this is to go beyond Scripture.
 
justasking4 said:
Not so. There is no teaching or exhortations in the scriptures to pray to Mary nor of her assumption.

In terms of Confession you don’t find any confessing of sin and that person is given absolution by a priest or anyone else.
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John 20:
21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
 
HailMary said:
John 20:
21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
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This passage you quote says nothing about confessing sins to a priest and being forgiven.
 
justasking4 said:
This passage you quote says nothing about confessing sins to a priest and being forgiven.
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Really? How would the Apostles know what sins to forgive or retain if it was not revealed or confessed to them first? Tell me.
 
justasking4 said:
This passage you quote says nothing about confessing sins to a priest and being forgiven.
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I know the Apostles had a lot of powers like healing the sick, raising the dead, cleansing leapers, but I don’t recall that they could read minds to figure out what our sins are. Hence, the sinner must have confessed them to him. Even the father of your Protestant church beleived in confession to a priest.
 
HailMary;3097856]I know the Apostles had a lot of powers like healing the sick, raising the dead, cleansing leapers, but I don’t recall that they could read minds to figure out what our sins are. Hence, the sinner must have confessed them to him.
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If you look at the passage Jesus is not teaching His apostles to hear confessions.
Even the father of your Protestant church beleived in confession to a priest
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i don’t know about that but it doesn’t change the fact that its not scriptural.
 
justasking4 said:
If you look at the passage Jesus is not teaching His apostles to hear confessions.

i don’t know about that but it doesn’t change the fact that its not scriptural.
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Correct, he is not teachingt them, he is granting them this power. I think you need to take a long look at Chrisitanity and see for yourself how Biblical (see James 5 for the Sacrament of the Sick and Dying) and historical this is. You will see the majority of Chritians disagreed with you. So did a simple, honest read of John 22.
 
HailMary said:
Really? How would the Apostles know what sins to forgive or retain if it was not revealed or confessed to them first? Tell me.
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Jesus instructed His aposltes to preach the gospel and those who believed in it would be forgiven. Those who rejected its message would not be forgiven. Once a man is in Christ by faith that man is now forgiven and can recieve forgiveness of sins by going directly to God through Christ.
 
justasking4 said:
Jesus instructed His aposltes to preach the gospel and those who believed in it would be forgiven. Those who rejected its message would not be forgiven. Once a man is in Christ by faith that man is now forgiven and can recieve forgiveness of sins by going directly to God through Christ.
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Jesus disagrees. He specifically said that whose sins they forgive they are forgiven and whose sins they retain are retained. Be honest now.
 
John 20:23 If you forgive men’s sins, they are forgiven them; if you hold them bound, they are held bound.:banghead:
 
Christ himself did not make every one who saw him give a public confession before he forgave their sins. When he forgave someone it was their faith in Him and repentance that led to forgiveness.
 
kenmd said:
Christ himself did not make every one who saw him give a public confession before he forgave their sins. When he forgave someone it was their faith in Him and repentance that led to forgiveness.
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And then what does John 20:23 mean? Sometimes, not always, but sometimes I believe that Protestants will distort what Christ says if Christ sounds too Catholic…teachccd 🙂
 
justasking4 said:
Jesus instructed His aposltes to preach the gospel and those who believed in it would be forgiven. Those who rejected its message would not be forgiven. Once a man is in Christ by faith that man is now forgiven and can recieve forgiveness of sins by going directly to God through Christ.
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What? And where in the text does it say this? Read the text again. Whose sins you FORGIVE, not preach. The passage has only forgive and retain. It says nothing about preaching. You’re reading your own preconceptions and doing violence to the text. Our interpretation is simple. Jesus empowered them to forgive and retain sins.

Pair this off with James 5:16, and you have the confession of sins to each other. Even if this verse by itself does not refer to the elders of the Church, it nevertheless commands the confession of sins to men, not just directly to God. But put in context, it is part of the passage about the sick, which specifically calls for the elders of the Church, and the forgiveness of sins.

Put those together, and you can see that the Bible flatly denies your allegation that sins are to be confessed to God alone, or that the elders have no power to forgive and retain the sins of others.
 
kenmd said:
Christ himself did not make every one who saw him give a public confession before he forgave their sins.
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God is omniscient. Christ is God.

The Bible describes many times how Christ was aware of what those around him were thinking. Are you saying that He was unaware of the sins of those He forgave?
When he forgave someone it was their faith in Him and repentance that led to forgiveness.
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No. They were forgiven by virtue of the fact that Christ forgave them. Period.
 
justasking4 said:
Jesus instructed His aposltes to preach the gospel and those who believed in it would be forgiven. Those who rejected its message would not be forgiven. Once a man is in Christ by faith that man is now forgiven and can recieve forgiveness of sins by going directly to God through Christ.
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This is as clear a distortion of scripture as I’ve ever seen.
 
kenmd said:
Christ himself did not make every one who saw him give a public confession before he forgave their sins. When he forgave someone it was their faith in Him and repentance that led to forgiveness.
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Number one, Jesus did not need sacraments because he is God. The sacraments are for the benefit of us who now live between his Comings.

Second, Jesus “knew their hearts.” The Apostles and their successors do not, unless the penitent tells them. That’s why James commands the confession of sins to fellow Christians, specifically, the presbyters.

Mind-reading doesn’t come with the faith.
 
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