The Eucharist is NOT the body of Christ

[PatienceAndLove]

No it doesn’t, if it did people would not be confessing their sins to mere men, but to God. There is no mediator alive on this earth, not you, not I, not a priest, no one but the Son, period.

You are seriously arguing with test quoted from the Catechism and saying it’s wrong when it supports your stance?

And do you go back and read the pages and pages of answers to you, or do you start with the most recent post? Because I have posted to you numerous times with no answer.

 

[ajk19]

You are seriously arguing with test quoted from the Catechism and saying it’s wrong when it supports your stance?

I’m not saying that part of it is wrong, but was more arguing with the Church as a whole, to say they agree with the Bible and then go against that belief makes no sense.

 

[Dauphin]

No it doesn’t, if it did people would not be confessing their sins to mere men, but to God.

Then why did Christ instruct His apostles to forgive sins? If people aren’t supposed to confess sins, how is a priest to forgive them?

There is no mediator alive on this earth, not you, not I, not a priest, no one but the Son, period.

That’s precisely what the Church teaches.

 

[ajk19]

And do you go back and read the pages and pages of answers to you, or do you start with the most recent post? Because I have posted to you numerous times with no answer.

I may go back, I may not. I just felt the need to chime in on this particular post.

 

[Dauphin]

I’m not saying that part of it is wrong, but was more arguing with the Church as a whole, to say they agree with the Bible and then go against that belief makes no sense.

Do you know where the Bible comes from?

 

[PatienceAndLove]

Lewis explains the transubstantiation of elements in a metaphor he uses in Voyage of the Dawn Treader. In it, the children meet a star who looks like an old man. The skeptical child explains that the old man cannot be a star because they are gases.The star explains that Narnian reality is different but even in our reality, stars are not just exploding gases. Gases are merely the elements of which the stars are made.

I will have to go back and read Dawn Treader, I never realized that was in there.

 

[ajk19]

Then why did Christ instruct His apostles to forgive sins? If people aren’t supposed to confess sins, how is a priest to forgive them?

Why would God say one thing, and yet have his Son teach something that goes against it?

As for priests forgiving them, short answer: They can’t.

That’s precisely what the Church teaches.

Sorry, you are wrong, they teach the exact opposite of this.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

I may go back, I may not. I just felt the need to chime in on this particular post.

Well, you should. There is gold in them thar posts.

 

[ajk19]

Do you know where the Bible comes from?

It comes from God and those who knew Him best.

 

[Dauphin]

If he did, then he is contradicting himself and His word, and that is not possible.

Indeed, scripture cannot contain a contradiction, and it doesn’t if interpreted correctly by the only institution that has that authority.

The only way these statements (only God forgives sins, the apostles forgave sins) can be reconciled is in the teaching of the Catholic Church; a priest does not forgive sins in his own person, but in the person of Christ (in persona Christi).

 

[Dauphin]

It comes from God and those who knew Him best.

awwwww… how cute!

 

[ajk19]

Indeed, scripture cannot contain a contradiction, and it doesn’t if interpreted correctly by the only institution that has that authority.

The only way these statements (only God forgives sins, the apostles forgave sins) can be reconciled is in the teaching of the Catholic Church; a priest does not forgive sins in his own person, but in the person of Christ (in persona Christi).

So then the priest is a God basically then, or is in His form?

 

[jmcrae]

No it doesn’t, if it did people would not be confessing their sins to mere men, but to God. There is no mediator alive on this earth, not you, not I, not a priest, no one but the Son, period.

The priest in the Confessional is not a “mediator” - he is, by virtue of the Sacrament of Ordination, acting in persona Christi but he is not personally dying for anyone’s sins. He is an intercessor; not a mediator.

I may go back, I may not. I just felt the need to chime in on this particular post.

Yes, please feel free to “chime in” on your own thread!

If you aren’t going to take the time to look at the answers, then why on earth did you ask the questions?

 

[Dauphin]

Why would God say one thing, and yet have his Son teach something that goes against it?

He didn’t.

As for priests forgiving them, short answer: They can’t.

Then why did Christ tell his apostles to forgive sins?

Sorry, you are wrong, they teach the exact opposite of this.

Really? Would you care to provide evidence, or is this just a drive-by accusation?

 

[ajk19]

The priest in the Confessional is not a “mediator” - he is, by virtue of the Sacrament of Ordination, acting in persona Christi but he is not personally dying for anyone’s sins. He is an intercessor; not a mediator.

God doesn’t need an “interceder” just the same as he doesn’t need a mediator. God has plenty of ability in Himself to forgive our sins and listen to our confessions for us. He doesn’t need a sinful man to do it for Him.

 

[jmcrae]

So then the priest is a God basically then, or is in His form?

A priest is like a “window” through which we can see and hear Christ.

But he himself is not actually Christ, any more than your front window is actually the street or landscape that you can see through it.

 

[Dauphin]

God doesn’t need an “interceder” just the same as he doesn’t need a mediator. God has plenty of ability in Himself to forgive our sins and listen to our confessions for us. He doesn’t need a sinful man to do it for Him.

Then why did He institute confession? Can you think of a reason that this was a good idea?

 

[ajk19]

He didn’t.
Then why did Christ tell his apostles to forgive sins?

Again I ask you why would he contradict what God already said before, that Jesus was the only mediator?

Really? Would you care to provide evidence, or is this just a drive-by accusation?

I am presenting you with said evidence now.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

A priest is like a “window” through which we can see and hear Christ.

But he himself is not actually Christ, any more than your front window is actually the street or landscape that you can see through it.

I never thought of it that way! Thanks for the analogy!

 

[ajk19]

Then why did He institute confession? Can you think of a reason that this was a good idea?

He wouldn’t need to, and again as I keep saying why would he institute it when it goes completely against the idea that Jesus is the only mediator?