The Eucharist is NOT the body of Christ

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That is what he did in verse 63!! And, yes they still walked away.
Why did Jesus not explain the metaphorical meaning of his teaching to the Apostles? Whenever he spoke to the people in parables, he would always explain the meaning of his teaching to the Apostles. But no such clarification is given to them.
 
See? Even you can make an absolutely correct connection without explcitness. :D:D:D

And that’s just from a funny remark.
Totally. But one must have on the trekkie goggles for it to make sense.
Absolutely.
That just confirms how awesome I am. I am scared for my profs when I go for my Masters in Theology specializing in Catechetics. evil laughter ensues
 
Why did Jesus not explain the metaphorical meaning of his teaching to the Apostles? Whenever he spoke to the people in parables, he would always explain the meaning of his teaching to the Apostles. But no such clarification is given to them.
So true and yet, so often ignored.
 
Hello,
I posted the Greek translation of “eat” from a Protestant source, Strong’s Concordance, but did not get any response. The Greek word means “gnaw” or “chew”.
Yeah, and I showed where Jesus uses these in John 6 - but no response. It certainly makes an even stronger case. In English, the distinction is non-existent and it is easy to come with different meanings of eat (possibly), but the Greek is quite explicit and cannot be seen figuratively. I mean, if it is to be mean figuratively/symbolically, then that means that Christ choose His words very, very poorly - which isn’t possible, He’s God and He doesn’t mince words.
 
I posted the Greek translation of “eat” from a Protestant source, Strong’s Concordance, but did not get any response. The Greek word means “gnaw” or “chew”.
I did find it interesting that you were posting from Strongs. But I was reading it on my phone at the time (I’m sick - mostly lying down) and was running too low on phone battery to comment. Someone earlier gave a real intricate reading of the passage with these words - from the original Greek. But finding verification in a Protestant source is a real coup.

BTW, I wasn’t knocking Protestants. I was commenting on literal interpreters who decide that this is the one passage that can’t be taken literally. That has always perplexed me. Even when I was a Protestant it perplexed me.
 
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Its not that He had to but the catholic church is making a powerful claim and we need to see what is the basis for it. John 6 is not that basis for the eucharist.
Nothing about John 6 was fulfilled at the supper. We know this becasue not even the NT letters make such claims.
The problem is understanding correctly what the scriptures teach. What helps tremendously is to see if other writings shed some light on this. Only Paul mentions the last supper and he says nothing in support of the catholic posiiton.
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Okay, so 2000 years worth of Christianity down the drain. The ancient Church got its understanding of the Eucharist as the Body and Blood of Christ all wrong. The martyr St. Ignatius, who was a disciple of John’s (the source of John 6), had no understanding of what John was talking about. The entire ancient Church was all in darkness because it understood the Eucharist to be the Body and Blood of the Lord. All we needed was the “light” of Protestant rationalism to set us all straight. Wow.
Is it not true that some church fathers held to uncatholic beliefs?
Is it not also true that just because some may have believed for a long time does not make it true?
The problem is the way the catholic church interprets these scriptures to support its doctrines. A careful exergesis of the passages just don’t support the catholic position.
What I’ve always found bizarre is that this is the single aspect of scripture that Protestant “literal interpreters” decide absolutely MUST NOT be interpreted literally. And what’s funny is that we have a huge paper trail showing that the ancient Church DID interpret it quite literally.
Depends what you mean by “interpreting literally”. There are a number of interpretative guidelines that must be adhered to if we are truly to understand the scriptures. Sometimes a strict literalism is required sometime metaphorical. It depends on the context and what is being discussed.
 
Hello,
Yeah, and I showed where Jesus uses these in John 6 - but no response.
I was impressed and enlightened. But like I said, I was reading on my phone at the time and didn’t have the battery power to answer. And actually, I should go back to resting again.
 
Where exactly do your criteria for the Eucharist being God come from? Does it say in the Bible “If it looks like God, and talks like God, and walks like God, and performs miracles like God, then it is God?” Cite chapter and verse, please.
Thats the problem. Catholics are claiming the Eucharist is God. I know of no passage of scripture that supports that.
 
A careful exergesis of the passages just don’t support the catholic position.
So you have Jesus saying “truly I say to you, unless you eat my body you will have no life in you,” Jesus saying “this [literally is] my body,” St. Paul saying that you’re profaning the blood of the Lord if you partake it unworthily, you have the disciples recognizing Jesus when partaking in the Eucharist, and you have every Apostolic Father admitting that it’s the most important part of the faith.

And your evidence is that… what, God can’t do miracles?
 
If the eucharist is the body of Christ how do catholics know this to be the case if there is absolutely no phyiscal change in the wafer and wine itself?

What is the evidence for it?
If Jesus truly was God Incarnate, how do we know this since he had a physical body exactly the same as any other man? Why was there no change in the body? Yes, he did miracles, but many other prophets did miracles just as astounding (or more astounding) than Jesus’ miracles. Jesus was also not the only human to rise from the dead. Plenty of other people rose from the dead, including Lazarus. The only evidence that we have that Jesus is God is that He claimed to be God. But he’s not the only person in history that has ever claimed to be God. Even today, with the New Age movement, plenty of people are discovering their own divinity. So, why should I believe that Jesus is God, without any physical evidence?

Also, why should I believe that a person who has “accepted Christ as his personal Savior” is any different than a person who hasn’t? Where is the evidence for them being “born again?”
 
Hello,
I was impressed and enlightened. But like I said, I was reading on my phone at the time and didn’t have the battery power to answer. And actually, I should go back to resting again.
Under those covers and drink plenty of fluids. 😉
 
I did find it interesting that you were posting from Strongs. But I was reading it on my phone at the time (I’m sick - mostly lying down) and was running too low on phone battery to comment. Someone earlier gave a real intricate reading of the passage with these words - from the original Greek. But finding verification in a Protestant source is a real coup.

BTW, I wasn’t knocking Protestants. I was commenting on literal interpreters who decide that this is the one passage that can’t be taken literally. That has always perplexed me. Even when I was a Protestant it perplexed me.
I hope you will be feeling better soon. 🙂 I deliberately chose a Protestant source to show the meaning of the original Greek since we are discussing the topic with Protestants.
 
Thats the problem. Catholics are claiming the Eucharist is God. I know of no passage of scripture that supports that.
Well, except for John 6:51-58 & 66-67, 1 Corinthians 11:27, Matthew 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-24 and Luke 22:19-20.

But yeah.
 
Thats the problem. Catholics are claiming the Eucharist is God. I know of no passage of scripture that supports that.
JA4-
Did you completely miss the passages that I posted. There’s lots of bold red, in case you did.

Jesus = God
Jesus = eat My Boyd and drink My Blood = Bread of Life = Eucharist

ergo Bread = Eucharist = Jesus = God
 
Thats the problem. Catholics are claiming the Eucharist is God. I know of no passage of scripture that supports that.
Oh, there are multitudinous passages that support that, just go back and read over this thread. Basically, Jesus says “This is my Body/This is my Blood.” Jesus is God. The rest is easy to figure out.

What I’m failing to see is the passage that tells that in order for something to be God, it must have all the attributes that you listed that you allege the Eucharist does not have.

-ACEGC
 
Justasking, I propose a challenge for you.

scripturecatholic.com/the_eucharist.html

Read this. Even if you think it’s all demonic propaganda, just read through all of it; refer to scripture and study Bibles/commentary if you want. But just read through the entire page carefully.

If you come back and you still believe that Catholics are imposing their own interpretation on the text, AND can provide a single, solid refutation of our interpretation (just ONE scripture verse that contradicts our views), then I will become a Southern Baptist, or any other Protestant denomination you so wish.
 
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