The Eucharist....

[FrDavid96]

where does it state that in the code of canon law though?

Canon 910.2, which itself makes reference to canon 230, which provides the specific details.

 

[FrDavid96]

Well, first of all, if he has not bowed in front of the tabernacle because our Lords presence is not there, then I could see the reason for it, perhaps he bowed out of habit who knows, but its not necessarily that that I have a problem with, its the fact that Our Lord was taken from the tabernacle before the celebration of mass and placed the oratory room for adoration after mass.

thus it breaks canon 941s2 ‘‘Exposition of the blessed sacrament may not take place while Mass is being celebrated in the same area of the church or oratory.’’

God bless
Stephen.

Stephen,

Actually, canon 941 is saying that Mass and Eucharistic Adoration cannot take place at the same time in the same place. That’s why the Adoration part takes place in a seperate chapel–to conform to the canon.

Just an aside, “oratory room” isn’t the same thing as “oratory” used in canon law. The word “church” (in reference to the building) usually refers to a “parish church” while “oratory” refers to a place of worship for a religious community (usually)–although in everyday language, we would might call that a “church.” Elsewhere, there are important reasons for distinguishing between “church” and “oratory” and “chapel” but for the puposes we’re discussing in this thread, only the word “church” would actually apply. Here, the Blessed Sacrament is being taken to a seperate chapel within the church, but still a place distinct from the “room” where Mass is being celebrated.

 

[Stephentlig]

Stephen,

Actually, canon 941 is saying that Mass and Eucharistic Adoration cannot take place at the same time in the same place. That’s why the Adoration part takes place in a seperate chapel–to conform to the canon.

Just an aside, “oratory room” isn’t the same thing as “oratory” used in canon law. The word “church” (in reference to the building) usually refers to a “parish church” while “oratory” refers to a place of worship for a religious community (usually)–although in everyday language, we would might call that a “church.” Elsewhere, there are important reasons for distinguishing between “church” and “oratory” and “chapel” but for the puposes we’re discussing in this thread, only the word “church” would actually apply. Here, the Blessed Sacrament is being taken to a seperate chapel within the church, but still a place distinct from the “room” where Mass is being celebrated.

Fr.David I respect your subjective anaylsis wholeheartedly, but since when did the word ‘‘exposition’’ become the word ‘‘adoration’’?

it is saying ‘‘exposition’’ of the blessed sacrament not ‘‘adoration’’

I feel the two are completely opposite to one another dont you think so?

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230 §1. Lay men who possess the age and qualifications established by decree of the conference of bishops can be admitted on a stable basis through the prescribed liturgical rite to the ministries of lector and acolyte.

Nevertheless, the conferral of these ministries does not grant them the right to obtain support or remuneration from the Church.

§2. Lay persons can fulfill the function of lector in liturgical actions by temporary designation. All lay persons can also perform the functions of commentator or cantor, or other functions, according to the norm of law.

§3. When the need of the Church warrants it and ministers are lacking, lay persons, even if they are not lectors or acolytes, can also supply certain of their duties, namely, to exercise the ministry of the word, to preside offer liturgical prayers, to confer baptism, and to distribute Holy Communion, according to the prescripts of the law.

In regards to your other post, are you saying that, even though a Eucharistic Minister is there, that should a priest or deacon be in the same room, that they should be the ones who Take the host from the tabernacle?

 

[FrDavid96]

§3. When the need of the Church warrants it and ministers are lacking, lay persons, even if they are not lectors or acolytes, can also supply certain of their duties, namely, to exercise the ministry of the word, to preside offer liturgical prayers, to confer baptism, and to distribute Holy Communion, according to the prescripts of the law.

In regards to your other post, are you saying that, even though a Eucharistic Minister is there, that should a priest or deacon be in the same room, that they should be the ones who Take the host from the tabernacle?

Yes, remember that there is no such person as an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion *unless and until the priest makes that appointment. No priest, no EMHC. No appointment, no EMHC. Someone might have been an EMHC in the past, might have been one on many occasions, might have done so for decades, might be a potential EMHC but until the appointment happens for this particular moment, the “office” doesn’t exist, it only potentially might exist.

Look again to the canon which says “When the need of the Church warrants it and ministers are lacking…” If a priest or deacon is present, then common sense says that the requirement of “ministers are lacking” cannot possibly be met. Therefore we need go no further, as permission to appoint an EMHC has not been given by the Church.

• an instituted Acolyte is automatically a potential EMHC and the bishop is competent (by the law itself) to appoint potential EMHCS for a more stable period, but still if a cleric is present, there is no genuine need, so the permission would not apply in that case.

 

[FrDavid96]

Fr.David I respect your subjective anaylsis wholeheartedly, but since when did the word ‘‘exposition’’ become the word ‘‘adoration’’?

it is saying ‘‘exposition’’ of the blessed sacrament not ‘‘adoration’’

I feel the two are completely opposite to one another dont you think so?

First, I did use the wrong word.

When I said that “Adoration” cannot occur at the same time as Mass, I used the wrong word. I did mean to say that “Exposition” cannot occur in the same place where Mass is being said. My point was to write about the location, not the prayer. But a seperate chapel is a legitimate place for Exposition during Mass. Of course, even if the tabernacle is closed & locked, we may still adore the True Presence; even during appropriate times in the Mass.

They’re not opposites, they are different but related concepts. The Blessed Sacrament is exposed for the purpose of adoration. Exposition refers to the “display” (for lack of a better word) of the Most Blessed Sacrament.
Adoration refers to the prayers being offered in the Divine Presence.

 

[Stephentlig]

well the room The Blessed Sacrament was taken to is still within the church, does this apply?

for example the room is used both as ( what we call in Ireland ) a crying room for women to take their children, its made of glass but its sound proof. It is also used as a place for adoration.

Thank you for clearing things up though.
God bless
Stephen.

 

[Joannm]

well the room The Blessed Sacrament was taken to is still within the church, does this apply?

for example the room is used both as ( what we call in Ireland ) a crying room for women to take their children, its made of glass but its sound proof. It is also used as a place for adoration.

Thank you for clearing things up though.
God bless
Stephen.

From the way you describe this room, I would say that exposition of the Blessed Sacrament should not occur in this room during Mass since it is not completle seperate from the church but is visible. Do they cover the monstrance during Mass as I have seen this done?

 

[Stephentlig]

From the way you describe this room, I would say that exposition of the Blessed Sacrament should not occur in this room during Mass since it is not completle seperate from the church but is visible. Do they cover the monstrance during Mass as I have seen this done?

The curtains are closed over the glass, and there is a cover for the monstrance Yes, as for whether it is covered during mass I have no idea. but the room is not a seperate building from the church no.

God bless you
Stephen

 

[Stephentlig]

zenit.org/article-9062?l=english
Exposition of the Eucharist by a Layperson?

ROME, JAN. 6, 2004 (Zenit.org).- Answered by Father Edward McNamara, professor of liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical Athenaeum.

Q: Is a layperson allowed to remove Jesus from the tabernacle, place him in the monstrance and process him into the main church for adoration? (The tabernacle is in a remote chapel.) I think only our priest has the privilege to do this. Am I wrong? – P.M., Londonderry, New Hampshire

A: While solemn exposition (with the use of servers and incense) can only be carried out by a priest or deacon, a simple exposition, either by opening the tabernacle or placing the Host in a monstrance, can be done by an instituted acolyte or by an authorized extraordinary minister of the Eucharist.

(The monstrance is a sacred vessel designed to expose the Blessed Sacrament or for carrying it in procession. It usually has the form of a cross with a circular window in the center, often surrounded by a silver or gold frame with rays like the sun.)

Only an ordained minister may impart Benediction with the Blessed Sacrament. However, should no priest or deacon be available, an authorized extraordinary minister may perform a simple reposition of the Eucharist once the turns of adoration have been completed (see the 1973 document “Eucharistiae Sacramentum” of the Congregation for Divine Worship, Nos. 91-92).

Of course, should a priest or deacon be available, he may not delegate the exposition to someone else.

In selecting a suitable person for extraordinary ministries of this kind when the priest is unable to do so, the order is: instituted acolyte, instituted lector, major seminarian, religious brother, nun, layperson of either sex (see the 1973 instruction “Immensae Caritatis”).

In your description of the rite of simple exposition as performed in your parish I do note a technical liturgical error: The layperson may bring the pyx (a small round metal case used to carry the Host) to the altar and place the Blessed Sacrament in the monstrance on the altar itself, but should not bring the monstrance with the Eucharist in procession.

The function of the extraordinary minister of exposition is limited to the simple exposition or reposition of the Blessed Sacrament with a minimum of ceremonial, though the exposition may be accompanied by a eucharistic song.

Although things may not be technically perfect in your parish, it is a wonderful gift, and a boon to the spiritual life of the whole community, that eucharistic adoration is cultivated and promoted.

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It appears this question has already been answered here on the fourm.
In the two hearts
Stephen

 

[Joannm]

If the monstrance is covered during Mass then, yes, that is acceptable, as long as it is not on the same altar.

 

[Stephentlig]

If the monstrance is covered during Mass then, yes, that is acceptable, as long as it is not on the same altar.

Does it sound like we may officially now close this thread?

I praise God for the help he has given me by means of you both.

God bless
Stephen