from my (limited) butchering experience, I found that a very sharp knife easily permits a nice clean uniform slice…whether it is an organ or muscle (cross cut or length wise).
any sort of expert feed back on Linoli’s assertions is exactly what is missing
I don’t know that I would say encouraged…but the possibility of income from pilgrimages might encourage a local Church to try to validate an alleged miracle.
again, I am not convinced that the preservation is at all extraordinary.
please keep in mind that those were examples of the natural mummification of whole bodies…think of the amount of moisture contained in such bodies versus a thin slice of muscle. What is more incredible, the natural mummification of whole bodies in dry climates or the natiural mummification of a thin slice of muscle in a jar in Lanciano…I don’t have the expertise to answer…but I hardly see it as the latter being the obvious choice for being the more incredible.
agreed, but respect for corpses wasn’t such that it would prevent a Pope from putting the corpse of another Pope on trial… most certainly not the norm (for Popes or others), but we can see that violation of the dead was not unheard of…I expect that the average medieval Joe was much, much more familiar with handing corpses than we moderns.
From S. Thomas POV, one would see beauty, b/c one sees the miraculous…I just don’t see all that much beauty in S. Thomas’s explanation.
coolI was also striken by a tale about an ( alleged ) Eucharistic miracle just in your own Province.
ironically, that area is thick with Mormons these days
I would be fun to investigate (if I had the time)…it isn’t that far away, and I do have a niece in the area. Tell, you what. You drive to Lanciano and get them to do some further expert studies and I’ll go to South Western Ablberta and check out this miracle…
they don’t, apart from a few exceptions
I do not…IMHO, just as the Spirit blows where he will, so too, the Father works wonders where he will.
agreed
hearing from another intelligent and thoughtful Catholic is always a benefit
and you too…greatly!
I didn’t even know I had any…bummer.
I have never tried that either
you are right…my ignorance is vast
ironically, this is exactly how those Charismatics (that you would hope to distance Catholic practice from) will respond when their alleged miracles (or odd behavior) is questioned.
You are wrong in assuming what I would hope for. I do not want to distance anyone from the Church, I want to bring them to the Church.
Being a charismatic or a sola scriptura person has absolutely nothing to do with the category of Eucharistic miracles such as the one which occurred centuries ago in Lanciano, Italy. And any other kind of miracle which occurs to a charismatic or a sola scriptura person has absolutely nothing to do with the category of Eucharistic miracles such as the one which occurred centuries ago in Lanciano, Italy.
Pardon me. But I do not know the meaning of the classic post-Reformation approach on “no miracles after Revelation.” It does not sound like the Catholic position on Divine Revelation nor does it sound like the Catholic position on miracles. also known as extraordinary phenomena, which occur sometime after the era of the Apostolic Age. Thank you.The fact that in your case you decided to examine miracles reaching your radar screens on a case by case basis sounds very important . You do not seemingly share the classic post-Reformation approach on “no miracles after Revelation”. But then, I could be overoptimist again here.
Dear Radical,
in my perception we reached/noted a number of signifant convergences.Hi Grannymh.
From studying the material accompanying the Vatican Exhibition of Eucharistic miracles, I doubt there would be further investigation because these miracles have been declared worthy of belief. Worthy of belief means that one can or not believe they happened. Worthy is used because at the time of the miracle, there were good effects in the spiritual life of the people living then and those living now who visit the Church where the miracle took place.Dear Radical,
in my perception we reached/noted a number of signifant convergences.
0n the very topic of the thread it appears we both admit that EMOL and other alleged eucharistic miracles could be or not real miracles, just differing on the degree of confidence respectively assigned to the two alternatives.
Within this framework we also agree that further investigations would be in principle welcome. I am afraid I haven’t got much influence on … starting them
btw Have you performed that mental experiment, about you experiencing an eucharistic miracle, be it Lanciano-like or a levitation ?
I’ll keep reading your exchanges with Lyrical.
See you next time. Thanks.
God bless you.