The existence of the universe is absurd

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Has anyone else ever felt this way? That it seems entirely unreasonable that anything should exist over not, like God, the universe, or any other conceivable thing?

Why does the universe exist? Because God created it.
Why does God exist? I cannot see any answer.

I have said before that the universe has meaning in relation to what meaning God gave it, but it seems that nothing could give God a meaningful existence. Does God give Himself purpose? Nothing in the world gives itself an ultimate purpose; that purpose is bestowed on it by another. Is God exempt from human logic?

In all, it is more reasonable for nothing to be, than for anything to be.
 
I’ve always felt the opposite, that the non-existence of everything would be absurd.
 
Has anyone else ever felt this way? That it seems entirely unreasonable that anything should exist over not, like God, the universe, or any other conceivable thing?

Why does the universe exist? Because God created it.
Why does God exist? I cannot see any answer.

I have said before that the universe has meaning in relation to what meaning God gave it, but it seems that nothing could give God a meaningful existence. Does God give Himself purpose? Nothing in the world gives itself an ultimate purpose; that purpose is bestowed on it by another. Is God exempt from human logic?

In all, it is more reasonable for nothing to be, than for anything to be.
God is the beginning and end of all things. Every thing that exists, exists for Him and His purpose.

God IS. God is Being itself, the ultimate Reality and the source of all Reality.
 
God is the beginning and end of all things. Every thing that exists, exists for Him and His purpose.

God IS. God is Being itself, the ultimate Reality and the source of all Reality.
This is the philosophical foundation of God. Virtually every religion ultimately comes to settle upon this conception of “what we call ‘God’.”

When you say, “The universe was created by God, but what about God?” You are working to the limits that your logical, reasonable human mind allows you to. We understand nature as a series of causes and effects, and it is very, very difficult for us to conceive of something transcending this expectation. The whole concept of “Contingency” in this field is that there must be an uncaused first cause. In order to set off the chain of reactions that we see today as reality, there must be an entity whose very nature is To Be, since everything else relies upon it to exist.

Basically, outside of our narrow and limited abilities to rationalize causal relationships, time itself, and existence itself, is God, who transcends these logical constructs. To say, “What was there before God? Does God think about how He came to be?” is still stuck in the temporal mind-set.

Short answer: It’s a mystery that we’re unable to fully conceptualize at the moment, but will come to more fully understand later, when we catch a glimpse of the bigger picture.
 
God is the beginning and end of all things. Every thing that exists, exists for Him and His purpose.

God IS. God is Being itself, the ultimate Reality and the source of all Reality.
…which is irrational and illogical, even though it is true. I expected an answer along these lines. “His purpose,” what purpose? Please explain where this purpose comes from. It cannot come from before God; nothing can.
 
…which is irrational and illogical, even though it is true. I expected an answer along these lines. “His purpose,” what purpose? Please explain where this purpose comes from. It cannot come from before God; nothing can.
If God is Love, and the act of creation is an embodiment of that Love (which we see manifested in our own physical existence, as well), then why would God not create? The very nature of the Holy Trinity is God’s reflection upon Love. Everything is done out of this Love.

Again, challenge yourself to not view these things in purely “rational/irrational” terms. The human faculty of reason can get you only so far, and is capable of deception and flaws, just as any other temporal faculty. Your intuition, your sense of eternity, is how you come to know God. You’ve been branded by Him, and locking your mind in the physical world alone will deprive you of experiencing the reality of God.
 
Has anyone else ever felt this way? That it seems entirely unreasonable that anything should exist over not, like God, the universe, or any other conceivable thing?

Why does the universe exist? Because God created it.
Why does God exist? I cannot see any answer.

I have said before that the universe has meaning in relation to what meaning God gave it, but it seems that nothing could give God a meaningful existence. Does God give Himself purpose? Nothing in the world gives itself an ultimate purpose; that purpose is bestowed on it by another. Is God exempt from human logic?

In all, it is more reasonable for nothing to be, than for anything to be.
How and why G-d exists are beyond human understanding. I would go with Spock (Star Trek) on this one: “It is not logical, but it is often true.” Or Shakespeare: “There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
 
If God is Love, and the act of creation is an embodiment of that Love (which we see manifested in our own physical existence, as well), then why would God not create? The very nature of the Holy Trinity is God’s reflection upon Love. Everything is done out of this Love.

Again, challenge yourself to not view these things in purely “rational/irrational” terms. The human faculty of reason can get you only so far, and is capable of deception and flaws, just as any other temporal faculty. Your intuition, your sense of eternity, is how you come to know God. You’ve been branded by Him, and locking your mind in the physical world alone will deprive you of experiencing the reality of God.
If logic and reason cannot clarify, for even a primitive understanding of how and why God exists, then they are most likely ultimately useless. Really, if I live in a world where there are constant exceptions to every logical supposition, what good are those suppositions? Fully satisfying interaction with God in this world is impossible, so I will use reason to understand God as well as I can. If it cannot help me understand God, I will throw it away. I am becoming convinced that the law of non-contradiction is false. I can only understand God now as a Being wholly logical and illogical at once.

I still wish I could understand the workings of a strange and absurd world.
 
If God is Love, and the act of creation is an embodiment of that Love (which we see manifested in our own physical existence, as well), then why would God not create? The very nature of the Holy Trinity is God’s reflection upon Love. Everything is done out of this Love.

Again, challenge yourself to not view these things in purely “rational/irrational” terms. The human faculty of reason can get you only so far, and is capable of deception and flaws, just as any other temporal faculty. Your intuition, your sense of eternity, is how you come to know God. You’ve been branded by Him, and locking your mind in the physical world alone will deprive you of experiencing the reality of God.
Amen! Great post. Our awesome God desires to share His Love with us, to be one with us forever.
 
I too have sometimes felt/thought that existence is absurd and pondered what meaning God finds in His own existence.

A fellow CAF member recommended the following books
I recommend Nicholas of Cusa’s “On Learned Ignorance”, or “The Cloud of Unknowing”.
because I asked some questions on “how is having a relationship with God possible.”

Those books you might find interesting, though I admit I have not gotten to read them.

Also, here are two curious articles.

“Absurd” by Thomas Nagel–type it into google and click on the first link (it should be a PDF article). That will take you to the article. Here is a direct link if that works: google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fphilosophy.as.uky.edu%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FThe%2520Absurd%2520-%2520Thomas%2520Nagel.pdf&ei=wB0WVIDWPIG58wH814GoAw&usg=AFQjCNE1GlSrgRh-Vwin9P1qHJ3cBqo4OQ&sig2=jGP1KvQYQTw_TJBr0_Egyg&bvm=bv.75097201,d.b2U&cad=rja

And here is “On God and Our Ultimate Purpose” by Stephen Maitzen.
philosophy.acadiau.ca/tl_files/sites/philosophy/resources/documents/Maitzen_OGUP.pdf

Just curious, would you say that the law of non-contradiction, if false, is ALWAYS false or does it hold in some cases (as in the case of denying it–for then the contrary of denying the law of non-contradiction, the affirmation of the law, is true, which then means that the law of non-contradiction is not false).

Also, I just thought of 1 Corinthians 1-3. There, Paul claims that “God’s wisdom appears foolish to the wisdom of man”–an interesting observation. Also, Ecclesiastes continually asserts that “everything is vanity/meaningless.”

But, I must admit that the “meaningfulness” of anything appears dependent on how we are feeling personally… if you ingest peyote, (and you have enough vitamin C in your system), you will perceive everything as deeply meaningful–see “The Doors of Perception” by Aldous Huxley–
google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC4QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.maps.org%2Fbooks%2FHuxleyA1954TheDoorsOfPerception.pdf&ei=RyAWVMzOJOXo8QHsv4CgBA&usg=AFQjCNGqKAnO200Rlj-BfuvI9mYTu7WwCg&sig2=qCNCJUm1Ft9mc4LR9jjnvQ&bvm=bv.75097201,d.b2U
 
Also, here are two curious articles.

“Absurd” by Thomas Nagel–type it into google and click on the first link (it should be a PDF article). That will take you to the article. Here is a direct link if that works: google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fphilosophy.as.uky.edu%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FThe%2520Absurd%2520-%2520Thomas%2520Nagel.pdf&ei=wB0WVIDWPIG58wH814GoAw&usg=AFQjCNE1GlSrgRh-Vwin9P1qHJ3cBqo4OQ&sig2=jGP1KvQYQTw_TJBr0_Egyg&bvm=bv.75097201,d.b2U&cad=rja

And here is “On God and Our Ultimate Purpose” by Stephen Maitzen.
philosophy.acadiau.ca/tl_files/sites/philosophy/resources/documents/Maitzen_OGUP.pdf

Just curious, would you say that the law of non-contradiction, if false, is ALWAYS false or does it hold in some cases (as in the case of denying it–for then the contrary of denying the law of non-contradiction, the affirmation of the law, is true, which then means that the law of non-contradiction is not false).
Thanks for the articles.
I would say that the law of non-contradiction applies to most things in the physical universe. It seems that our own understanding of mathematics reveals more about this world than science. However, while contradictions do not seem to exist in this world, they seem to exist in the next. It could be said that God created a world with logic separate from Himself, or lesser than Himself. Simply put, we live and think in a world where 1 ≠ 3, created by God where 1 = 3.
 
God does not have existence, God is existence.

“I Am.”

He is.

Existence exists because of Him. Existence is the product of His creation. He does not reside within His own creation. He is far above and beyond existence as we comprehend it.

Trying to understand how or why God “exists” is, itself, an absurdity. God doesn’t merely exist. He is the source of existence.

He is the beginning. The first cause. There is no thing or idea prior to God that could give reason or meaning to His presence. There is no how or why to explain God, because if there was, then that would mean there was something before God. Not only can there be nothing before God, but there isn’t even a “before God” at all, because He is eternal.
 
Has anyone else ever felt this way? That it seems entirely unreasonable that anything should exist over not, like God, the universe, or any other conceivable thing?

Why does the universe exist? Because God created it.
Why does God exist? I cannot see any answer.

I have said before that the universe has meaning in relation to what meaning God gave it, but it seems that nothing could give God a meaningful existence. Does God give Himself purpose? Nothing in the world gives itself an ultimate purpose; that purpose is bestowed on it by another. Is God exempt from human logic?

In all, it is more reasonable for nothing to be, than for anything to be.
I have had similar thoughts. My thought is more that it is absurd that conscious beings exist, particularly me. It is absurd that I exist. I didn’t exist for fifteen billion years. All of a sudden I exist, and I know it. And I know that after 80 short years I will probably no longer exist. It is absurd to know that you exist but that it wasn’t always so, and it won’t always be so. And science doesn’t answer the question. They have never even attempted an answer. Their attempts at an answer never deal with subjective consciousness.
 
Has anyone else ever felt this way? That it seems entirely unreasonable that anything should exist over not, like God, the universe, or any other conceivable thing?

Why does the universe exist? Because God created it.
Why does God exist? I cannot see any answer.

I have said before that the universe has meaning in relation to what meaning God gave it, but it seems that nothing could give God a meaningful existence. Does God give Himself purpose? Nothing in the world gives itself an ultimate purpose; that purpose is bestowed on it by another. Is God exempt from human logic?

In all, it is more reasonable for nothing to be, than for anything to be.
I can’t do justice to your questions, nor can I do justice to Chris Langan’s ideas in this post, but I will just leave a couple of quotes from his primer on the CTMU and then leave you with a couple of links to his site which you can explore at your leisure:
What is Holotheism?
Holotheism is the theological system implied by logical theology. Its fundamental premise is that the Mind of God is the ultimate reality…that is, reality in its most basic and most general form. It is thus related to panentheism, but in addition to being more refined, is more compatible with monotheism in that its “mental” characterization of God implies that divine nature is more in keeping with established theological traditions.
What is Logical Theology?
Theology is ordinarily understood as the study of God and the relationship of God to the world, usually in the context of a specific theological system and a related body of theological opinion. It is considered to embrace the investigation of spirit, the human soul, teleology and divine qualities such as omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence.
Traditionally, its preferred methods of inquiry have been rational rather than empirical, and have thus relied on a combination of faith and logic rather than observation. Logical theology shifts theological inquiry in the direction of logic and mathematics, seeking to reposition it within the domain of modern analytical tools including model theory, the theory of formalized systems, and the logical theory of reality.
Whereas standard theology takes the existence of God as axiomatic and then attempts, often naively, to characterize the relationship between its assumed definition and a more or less concrete model of reality, logical theology explores a logical formulation of ultimate reality for any divine properties that might naturally reveal themselves; given that divine law (if it exists) would necessarily incorporate the laws of logic and mathematics on a basic level, it seeks evidence of divinity in the context of a reality-theoretic extension of logic, the CTMU. The implied convergence of theology, mathematics and science yields a reality-based theological framework with the strength and capacity to support realistic solutions to various real-world problems.
Chris Langan’s site

The CTMU Primer (at the bottom of the linked page above, and the place I took those two quotes from)

To be very crude, (my words now) the ground of all possible being, both constructive and destructive, logical and illogical, consistent and inconsistent, nothingness and non-nothingness, would be God. That which can erupt into reality (quantum reality, logical reality, mathematical reality, physical reality, etc.) must interfere constructively and not destructively, or to put it differently, it must be self-consistent. In other words, this is yet another version of the “nothingness is unstable” argument which we see with the physics of the big bang, but this time it goes all the way back into the ground of all possible being, or God.

That’s really terribly terribly crude, but it’s the hyper-condensed nickel version of what I got out of reading the CTMU (Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe).

Take your time, you will need it. I doubt if I can do any better than you can yourself by just reading what Langan has written. That’s pretty much all I can contribute here.
 
Thanks for the articles.
I would say that the law of non-contradiction applies to most things in the physical universe. It seems that our own understanding of mathematics reveals more about this world than science. However, while contradictions do not seem to exist in this world, they seem to exist in the next. It could be said that God created a world with logic separate from Himself, or lesser than Himself. Simply put, we live and think in a world where 1 ≠ 3, created by God where 1 = 3.
‘Our’ logic is a reflection of our own lived reality and experience. It is difficult to say how much of this logic is truly universal when we consider the possibility of different realities.

The fact that the existence of our own reality does seem absurd points to the fact that our own set of logic is deficient or incomplete in some way. It also points to the idea that there is a different reality containing a more universal logic beyond our own.
 
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