The fact is that the Reformers practiced self-ordination,

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I assume that’s what the reformed do. The Anglicans claim AS. Not sure what Methodists do. Someone will help us out, I’m sure.

even more interesting!!
Remarkably interesting, considering this past week’s events in the ELCA.

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And you should believe this! That is what your church teaches. Most Protestants would probably disagree on scriptural and historical grounds. The EO disagrees since from their point of view the RCC was guilty of innovations to the faith and left the other Patriarchs. They all have a right to believe that.

In the end I guess you can ask Jesus about it. He may find the whole thing ridiculous…or not.
Luke 10:16
“He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

I don’t think He will find it ridiculous at all…this is serious stuff.
 
Unfortunately, even those (such as the Anglicans) who did make some effort to keep up appearances, etc. did not maintain proper form or intent. Thus, despite their efforts, they lost valid orders.
Yes, that seems to be the argument of the Catholic Church, and I suppose if one thinks the Pope/Church is always right about such things, then they ought to believe it.

But the argument itself - I just find it so incredibly unconvincing. To the degree that I wonder why anyone bothered to make the argument, and didn’t just say “Because I said so!”
 
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