The faith of the Devil?

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dangel;5652090]Like I said, it’s not a religion unless YOU MAKE IT SO. Otherwise it’s a spirituality.

JUST because something is on the net doesn’t mean it’s real, and while there are Wiccans out there who use Wicca as a full based religion doesn’t mean all do the same. It’s not that black and white.
Actualy Wicca is a nationaly recognised religion. It is not just “spirituality”.
And Christianity has tons of Pagan days, Christmas/Yule for one. Christianity took all the previous holidays and just renamed them to suit themselves.
NO Christianity has no pagan days in it. They are strictly Christian. Christmas and Yule have nothing in common. One celibrates the birth of Christ while the other is the winter solstus or has in some pagan religions a fat drunken fertility god. Don’t confuse the comercialism of Christmas with the latergical celibration.
 
NO Christianity has no pagan days in it. They are strictly Christian. Christmas and Yule have nothing in common. One celibrates the birth of Christ while the other is the winter solstus or has in some pagan religions a fat drunken fertility god. Don’t confuse the comercialism of Christmas with the latergical celibration.
Absolutely untrue. They usurped older pagan traditions and Christianized them.

That’s why I always say Christianity is the perfect mix of paganism and monotheism.
 
I was a member of the Frost’s Church and School of Wicca back in the mid 1980’s and took their classes (at the time it was via mail) and found it interesting. It is not openly satanic at first blush. It is more of worshiping the creation instead of the creator.

When you get deeper into it though there are some quite dark parts. The Frosts tried to stick to “white magic” but there were plenty of people willing to go into the darker stuff.

It can get rather scary. Especially when you throw in some Crowley.

FYI: Modern “Witchcraft” started back in 1951 or 1952 when England’s anti-witchcraft laws were repealed. Gerald Gardiner was one of the early ones and Ray Buckland brought it to the U.S. I read much of GG’s works and some of Buckland’s. After a great deal of time dealing and dabbling I left in the late 80’s.

Some things are better left alone.
 
I was a member of the Frost’s Church and School of Wicca back in the mid 1980’s and took their classes (at the time it was via mail) and found it interesting. It is not openly satanic at first blush. It is more of worshiping the creation instead of the creator.

When you get deeper into it though there are some quite dark parts. The Frosts tried to stick to “white magic” but there were plenty of people willing to go into the darker stuff.

It can get rather scary. Especially when you throw in some Crowley.

FYI: Modern “Witchcraft” started back in 1951 or 1952 when England’s anti-witchcraft laws were repealed. Gerald Gardiner was one of the early ones and Ray Buckland brought it to the U.S. I read much of GG’s works and some of Buckland’s. After a great deal of time dealing and dabbling I left in the late 80’s.

Some things are better left alone.
did you see any real magic? Wigi board stuff??? I don’t believe in any sort of paranormal stuff personally (in college I seen some drunk friends do the wigi board thing, and nothing happened, as far as I could tell anyway).
 
Absolutely untrue. They usurped older pagan traditions and Christianized them.

That’s why I always say Christianity is the perfect mix of paganism and monotheism.
I will have to disagree. Lets look at Christmas. What does Christmas share. Beside the time of year? The time of year it is held can be debated as to why it is when it is. One time line is due to the killing of Christians in early Christianity it was moved to coincide with the winter solstice.

What examples of mixed paganism and monotheism can you give.
 
I will have to disagree. Lets look at Christmas. What does Christmas share. Beside the time of year? The time of year it is held can be debated as to why it is when it is. One time line is due to the killing of Christians in early Christianity it was moved to coincide with the winter solstice.

What examples of mixed paganism and monotheism can you give.
I agree. There is no doubt that the Catholic Holy days coincide with seasonal celebrations that were traditional throughout the pagan world.

Here is an example: from: allaboutjesuschrist.org/emperor-constantine-faq.htm

Either as a means to unify his empire, or to make converting to Christianity easier, Constantine sought to blend Christian and pagan traditions. At that time, two prominent pagan winter festivals were celebrated. The first, starting on December 17 and lasting seven days, honored Saturn, the Roman god of agriculture. The second, starting on December 25 and lasting through January 1, commemorated the birth of Mithras, the Persian god of light. Constantine merged many of the traditions from these festivals with the Nativity story in the Bible and Christmas was born. From its beginning, Christmas was a holiday (or holy day), gifts were exchanged, families and friends gathered to feast, and a birth was celebrated; just like in the Roman and Persian festivities.

The first mention of December 25 as the date of Jesus’ birth is found in an early Roman calendar from A.D. 336.

Easter is a time of rebirth, spring time, the resurrection, the lamb the egg.

All Souls Day is the day of the dead, and coincides with Halloween, the end of harvest, the grim reaper, the dark time of the year.
 
I’ve never met any Wiccans who believed in the Catholic God. Why would they?
Well why wouldn’t they?

If you believe in the God of Christianity, but also some of the principles within Wicca than naturally you’re going to hold close to you both Christianity and Wicca.
 
I’m not positive what it means to “spit one’s dummy out,” so I can’t say I haven’t done it. Still, a quick glance at the formation of modern Wicca & its founders, such as Gerald Gardner & Raymond Buckland, offers grist for considerable (though, I grant you, uncharitable) amusement.

The pet theories, sexual preoccupations, and ginned-up ceremonies of the early Wiccans caused them to look less like noble pagans of olde OR satanic votaries, and more like victims of an elaborate and malicious practical joke. This quality has continued to cling to its modern practitioners. It’s this vaguely duncelike quality that makes me think it a poor fit for the devil, who is not merely the Prince of Lies, but the Prince of Pride. Still, he might believe that useful idiots are nevertheless useful for all that: hence, my original comment.
If you go into something looking for bad points then all you will find are bad points.

There are plenty of beautiful and ugly parts of Wicca, just like Christianity.

Whether Wicca was founded fifty to sixty years ago or not the practices it keeps are thousands of years old and are some of the very same practices Christianity took on.

The actions of a few only hold importance to those not wishing to repeat passed mistakes or to people looking to put something down. (you fit the latter)
 
Actualy Wicca is a nationaly recognised religion. It is not just “spirituality”.

NO Christianity has no pagan days in it. They are strictly Christian. Christmas and Yule have nothing in common. One celibrates the birth of Christ while the other is the winter solstus or has in some pagan religions a fat drunken fertility god. Don’t confuse the comercialism of Christmas with the latergical celibration.
-.- …it’s nationally recognised as a religion, yes, but you don’t have to make it a religion if you don’t want to.

And yes it does have pagan days in it. Christmas was Yule, Easter was Eoster and so on.

Christianity took existing pagan festivals, holidays and religious days and made them their own.
 
I was a member of the Frost’s Church and School of Wicca back in the mid 1980’s and took their classes (at the time it was via mail) and found it interesting. It is not openly satanic at first blush. It is more of worshiping the creation instead of the creator.

When you get deeper into it though there are some quite dark parts. The Frosts tried to stick to “white magic” but there were plenty of people willing to go into the darker stuff.

It can get rather scary. Especially when you throw in some Crowley.

FYI: Modern “Witchcraft” started back in 1951 or 1952 when England’s anti-witchcraft laws were repealed. Gerald Gardiner was one of the early ones and Ray Buckland brought it to the U.S. I read much of GG’s works and some of Buckland’s. After a great deal of time dealing and dabbling I left in the late 80’s.

Some things are better left alone.
Well the Frosts aren’t the only Wiccans out there and yes, Wicca was founded in around 1950 but the practices many Wiccans hold true are those going back to the days way before Jesus Christs birth and the first records of the Church.

Wicca is scary just like Christianity is. When I was first plunged into my Catholic Day Centre it was horrible for me. I had all these people, bigger and louder than me, telling me that I’d go to hell for swearing at my mum, and that hell would be a place I’d feel thirst until the end days and I’d be burnt by flames.

That made me **** scared of God and not particular loving towards him ether.

It was only later, when I learnt to see what I needed to see and not what Others told me to see that I realised the truth which brings me to where I am now.

Moral of the story, people can make an orange look blue, doesn’t mean it is. Go by your own judgement and not just by what people want you to see.
 
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