The False "Rapture" Dogma of Protestants

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It may come as a surprise to many Christians, but the doctrine of the Rapture is not mentioned in any writings until after the year 1830 A.D. Whether the early writers were Greek or Latin, Armenian or Coptic, Syrian or Ethiopian, English or German, orthodox or heretic, no one mentioned a syllable about it. But if the doctrine were so clearly stated in Scripture, it seems incredible that no one should have referred to it before the 19th century. This does not necessarily show that the teaching is wrong, but it does mean that thousands of eminent scholars who lived over a span of seventeen centuries (including some of the most astute of the Church Fathers and even of the Protestants) must be considered as prophetic dunces for not having understood so “fundamental” a teaching. This lapse of seventeen centuries when no one mentioned anything about it must be a serious obstacle to its reliability.

The orgins of this unbiblical doctrine are among the Irvingites, or neo-Montanists (A heresy condemned in the early Church) when a certain Irvingite woman.
The “power of the Holy Spirit” was said to have rested on a Miss Margaret Macdonald while she was in a state of illness at home. She was dangerously sick and thought she was dying. In spite of this (or perhaps because she is supposed to have come under “power” of the Spirit for several successive hours during which she experienced the manifestations of “mingled prophecy and vision.” The message she received during this prophetic vision convinced her that Christ was going to appear in two stages at His second coming – and not one! The emanation revealed that Christ would first come in glory to them that look for Him and again in a final stage when every eye would see Him. It was this visionary experience of Miss Macdonald which represents the primary source of the modern Rapture doctrine as the historical evidence compiled by Mr. MacPherson abundantly shows.

Many people have thought that John Darby, the founder of the Plymouth Brethren, was the originator of the Rapture doctrine. This is not the case. It was the doctrine of “Dispensationalism” which he brought to the attention of the Protestants.

It had long been thought by many Christians that the Rapture doctrine originated with John Darby. It is now known that this is not true. Darby only popularized it. Scofield and others who took over Darby’s mantle later helped to make it respectable, Today, many of those in the evangelical sphere of Christianity are so certain of its veracity that it is accepted as the absolute truth of God. The fact is, however, John Darby received the knowledge of the doctrine from someone else. The source was the Margaret Macdonald mentioned above.

The studies of Mr. MacPherson show that her sickness during which she received her visions and revelations occurred sometime between February 1 and April 14, 1830. And by late spring and early summer of 1830, her belief in the two phases of Christ’s coming was being mentioned in praise and prayer meetings in several towns of western Scotland. In these meetings some people were speaking in “tongues” and other “charismatic” occurrences were in evidence. These strange events in western Scotland so attracted John Darby that he made a trip to the area to witness himself what was going on. Though he did not approve of the ecstatic episodes that he witnessed. it is nonetheless significant that Darby, after returning from Scotland, began to teach that Christ’s second coming would occur in two phases. MacPherson shows good evidence that Darby had even visited Miss Macdonald in her home. There can hardly he any doubt that the visions of Miss Macdonald are the source of the modern doctrine.
 
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The emanation revealed that Christ would first come in glory to them that look for Him and again in a final stage when every eye would see Him. It was this visionary experience of Miss Macdonald which represents the primary source of the modern Rapture doctrine as the historical evidence compiled by Mr. MacPherson abundantly shows.

Many people have thought that John Darby, the founder of the Plymouth Brethren, was the originator of the Rapture doctrine. This is not the case. It was the doctrine of “Dispensationalism” which he brought to the attention of the Protestants.

It had long been thought by many Christians that the Rapture doctrine originated with John Darby. It is now known that this is not true. Darby only popularized it. Scofield and others who took over Darby’s mantle later helped to make it respectable, Today, many of those in the evangelical sphere of Christianity are so certain of its veracity that it is accepted as the absolute truth of God. The fact is, however, John Darby received the knowledge of the doctrine from someone else. The source was the Margaret Macdonald mentioned above.

The studies of Mr. MacPherson show that her sickness during which she received her visions and revelations occurred sometime between February 1 and April 14, 1830. And by late spring and early summer of 1830, her belief in the two phases of Christ’s coming was being mentioned in praise and prayer meetings in several towns of western Scotland. In these meetings some people were speaking in “tongues” and other “charismatic” occurrences were in evidence. These strange events in western Scotland so attracted John Darby that he made a trip to the area to witness himself what was going on. Though he did not approve of the ecstatic episodes that he witnessed. it is nonetheless significant that Darby, after returning from Scotland, began to teach that Christ’s second coming would occur in two phases. MacPherson shows good evidence that Darby had even visited Miss Macdonald in her home. There can hardly he any doubt that the visions of Miss Macdonald are the source of the modern doctrine.
David MacPherson, a Less Than Credible Side Issue

David MacPherson has now published five books, all setting forth the same contrived view of the origin of the pretribulational rapture. Having first made his assertions, MacPherson approaches his subject looking for proof. He uses his skills as a former investigative newsman to assemble selectively huge amounts of data, presenting his view with a vindictive, preachy, sarcastic tone. MacPherson aggressively attacks pretribulationism by attributing its origin to Margaret MacDonald, as a result of a prophetic revelation she had in the spring of 1830, at the age of fifteen. Margaret was attracted to the charismatic influence of the Irvingite Movement by 1830 and her pretribulational rapture vision was recorded and published by Robert Norton in 1861. “MacPherson uses this finding to project the notion that the doctrine of the pretribulational rapture is of demonic origin through 15-year-old Scottish lassie.” MacPherson then claims that J. N. Darby and the Plymouth Brethren, who taught the pre-trib view, received it from Margaret MacDonald after 1830. MacPherson then asserts that an elaborate plot was devised by Darby, William Kelly (1821-1906), and others to cover up the origin.

The reality of MacPherson’s five books is that he has still not produced the evidence for his claims and what he does offer has fundamental flaws. 😦

[highlighting and sad-face mine—Sandusky].

• Margaret MacDonald does not teach a pretribulational rapture in her prophecy and thus she could not give to Darby what she never believed herself. Even anti-tribulationist John Bray acknowledges this!

• MacPherson amasses an overwhelming amount of evidence that does not relate to his case, but which serves as a kind of smoke screen around the edges.

• Darby developed his view in 1826-27, at least three years before MacDonald’s vision! His visit with Margaret in 1830 was of no consequence.

• The Brethren were not united on this issue, so Newton, Mueller, and Tregelles would certainly have exposed such a fraud on Darby’s part. MacPherson engages in biased revisionism. No major scholar familiar with original sources has sided with him. Sandeen calls it a “groundless and pernicious charge.” F. F. Bruce, himself a Brethren author, writes, “Where did Darby get [his view]? . . . t was in the air in the 1820s and 1830s among eager Bible students of unfulfilled prophecy. . . . [D]irect dependence by Darby on Margaret MacDonald is unlikely.” It appears that MacPherson’s converts are rabid anti-pretriublationists because McPherson has “proved” only what he set out to find.The entire, footnoted article, tracing eschatology from the early church forward,
can be read here.
 
David MacPherson, a Less Than Credible Side Issue

David MacPherson has now published five books, all setting forth the same contrived view of the origin of the pretribulational rapture. Having first made his assertions, MacPherson approaches his subject looking for proof. He uses his skills as a former investigative newsman to assemble selectively huge amounts of data, presenting his view with a vindictive, preachy, sarcastic tone. MacPherson aggressively attacks…
…converts are rabid anti-pretriublationists because McPherson has “proved” only what he set out to find.The entire, footnoted article, tracing eschatology from the early church forward,
can be read here.
Well, this whole thing with McPherson is a side issue. The real issue is that it was not mentioned at all before 1800’s. None of the Church Fathers said anything about a pre-tribulation “rapture” or whatever. It just kind of popped up, just like Protestantism. 🤷
 
Well, this whole thing with McPherson is a side issue. The real issue is that it was not mentioned at all before 1800’s. None of the Church Fathers said anything about a pre-tribulation “rapture” or whatever. It just kind of popped up, just like Protestantism. 🤷
It’s a side issue with you? You devoted at least 75-percent of your post to the two Macs.

Read the entire article, which goes back into history, and the footnotes.
 
Not all Protestants embrace a dogma of rapture. Another misleading, wide-sweeping generalization that is neither helpful nor truthful.

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I spent 26 years in conservative Baptist churches where the pre-trib rapture was always taught. I never heard the name Darby in relation to it (in church that is; I did read about him in my own study). I don’t believe a doctrine like that originated with just one man. It must be an amalgamation of several lines of thought. In the early 1800’s there was tremendous interest in Bible prophecy and in new understandings of the Bible. People were becoming more “educated” and with the technological progress of man there were many things that could be seen as fulfilling specific prophecies that were difficult to understand. Therefore, many preachers of that time could say, and their audiences would buy, that previous generations had no way of understanding these things.

The doctrine of the rapture grew out of the same religious environment that produced Adventism, Watchtower, Mormonism, and many others. Don’t get me wrong. Some of the movements were much more orthodox than others (I’m certainly not comparing belief in the rapture to the teachings of the Watchtower), but they have one thing in common: They all believed that new understandings were being brought about that were different than what generations of Christians before them had believed. And, most often, those differences dealt with Bible prophecy.
 
People were becoming more “educated” and with the technological progress of man there were many things that could be seen as fulfilling specific prophecies that were difficult to understand. Therefore, many preachers of that time could say, and their audiences would buy, that previous generations had no way of understanding these things.

The doctrine of the rapture grew out of the same religious environment that produced Adventism, Watchtower, Mormonism, and many others. Don’t get me wrong. Some of the movements were much more orthodox than others (I’m certainly not comparing belief in the rapture to the teachings of the Watchtower), but they have one thing in common: They all believed that new understandings were being brought about that were different than what generations of Christians before them had believed. And, most often, those differences dealt with Bible prophecy.
Yeah. That’s such a crock. Believing that people who lived before us in less technologically advanced times were somehow “stupider” than we are. People in the time of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed were every bit as sophisticated, insightful, philosophical, nuanced, skeptical, and clever as we are. Sending people to the moon, or having the coolest tunes on our Ipods means nothing as regards our humanity. Think you’re smart? Try reading Aquinas. I have a Masters degree and I can’t understand him.

The whole “new revelation” or prophecy stuff is so bogus. But some people like to have their “ears tickled.” Such is life.
 
In regards Fred 4, I do not believe that he was alluding to the stupidity of our fore faters. But that the 1800s were something of a little ennlightenment in that some of the sciences were making possible a different understanding of prohecy, ie; seeing prohecy through the lens of new understanding. Nothing in that post refered to our ‘humanity’. Our forefathers may have been as
sophisticated insightful and cleaver as we are but they were not as knowlegable as succeeding generations have become. And should the Lord tarry in his return the generations that follow us will be more knowlegable than we.
I too have a Masters degree and can understand Aquinas, but if you desire an intellectual challenge read Emmanual Kant’s Critique of Pure Reason.👍
 
Don’t use protestant tricks against them!

Anticatholics like to note that the word “Transubstantiation” doesn’t appear in scripture and wasn’t coined for centuries. We correctly note that it is a TERM used to eliminate ambiguities and errors in the belief in the Real Presence that CAN be shown to go back to the very beginning.

Thus, catholics should not gloat that the word ‘rapture’ doesn’t appear anywhere before the 19th century, but should instead note (correctly) that the very IDEA of it is novel and of recent origin.
 
Don’t use protestant tricks against them!

Anticatholics like to note that the word “Transubstantiation” doesn’t appear in scripture and wasn’t coined for centuries. We correctly note that it is a TERM used to eliminate ambiguities and errors in the belief in the Real Presence that CAN be shown to go back to the very beginning.

Thus, catholics should not gloat that the word ‘rapture’ doesn’t appear anywhere before the 19th century, but should instead note (correctly) that the very IDEA of it is novel and of recent origin.
This was my point: that the idea of the doctrine now commonly called “Rapture” was not, as far as I can see, taught, preached, promulgated, or believed before the 1800’s. If someone has documents or sources stating the Rapture or a similar precursor doctrine before then, that would be interesting. Although I haven’t seen anything like that…

And also, I know that not a Protestants believe the Rapture, but a great majority of true Protestants I think do, and in someplaces it is practically dogma. So I rest m’case. :rolleyes:
 
And also, I know that not a Protestants believe the Rapture, but a great majority of true Protestants I think do, and in someplaces it is practically dogma. So I rest m’case. :rolleyes:
Actually this is…umm…not true either.

First of all you have to define what belief you mean by “rapture dogma”. Because Catholics believe in the rapture, they just do not use this term (rapture is simply shorthand for the event in 1 Thessl 4:13-18)… Catholics do believe in an amillenial, posttribulational rapture if I understand Catholicism correctly.

However when Catholics attack the “dogma of the rapture”, they usually mean to say the “pretribulational, premillenial rapture”. This is not the “rapture”, this is one theory about the rapture. So let’s use the right term here.

However, when they ascribe this to “Protestants” they fail to realize that the timing of the rapture is hardly a settled issue amongst Protestants. I would say that a distinct minority of Protestants believe in a pretribulational, premillenial rapture.

Even amongst evangelical, fundamental types like myself this is hardly a settled issue. I would venture to guess that if all of us were surveyed, that believe in a pretribulation, premillenial rapture is a minority view (although I welcome anybody bringing to the table a survey here…otherwise it is just speculation). And I would think it highly likely of those that believe in this one rapture theory, very few would hold it to a level of essential dogma.

Threads like this just convince me that Catholics are not educated in Protestant beliefs and like to make sweeping generalizations.
 
bad title
the rapture as expressed in the more sensational understanding of some fundamentalists is not a mainstream Protestant teaching, so title is misleading
 
A couple of thoughts:
  1. Regarding the term “rapture,” it is derived from a Latin word meaning “to be caught up” which occurs in the Vulgate, so it is technically a Biblical term. However, I agree that the Pre-Trib view is an idea of recent origin.
  2. In response to Mozart, I’m not sure whether the Pre-Trib or Dispensationalist view is a “majority” belief among Protestants or not. I guess you would have to determine who is to be included in the population in question to determine that. But, there is no question that in Evangelical culture, it is the predominant view that is proclaimed most often. From TBN to the Left Behind series to Jack Van Impe to Hal Lindsey, it permeates Evangelical broadcast media and literature. I remember when I was in college (I went to a Southern Baptist college and was a Baptist at the time), I once mentioned to someone that I didn’t believe that Christ’s Second Coming would be in two phases (rapture and revelation), and the response I got was basically one of shock that I didn’t believe what the Bible “clearly teaches.” And, no, that wasn’t a rare viewpoint.
 
This was my point: that the idea of the doctrine now commonly called “Rapture” was not, as far as I can see, taught, preached, promulgated, or believed before the 1800’s. If someone has documents or sources stating the Rapture or a similar precursor doctrine before then, that would be interesting. Although I haven’t seen anything like that…

And also, I know that not a Protestants believe the Rapture, but a great majority of true Protestants I think do, and in someplaces it is practically dogma. So I rest m’case. :rolleyes:
A great majority? Interesting and inaccurate.

Lutheranism - 85 million
Methodism - 85 million
Reformed churches - 80 million
Calvinist churches - 75 million
Presbyterianism - 75 million
Congregationalism - 66 million
Anglican Communion - 75.5 million
 
the only rapture is when Christ comes at the end of the world. the final judgement.
 
Mainstream protestants do not believe in the Rapture.
Many evangelicals do not believe in the Rapture.
Dispensationalism proposed by a small but very vocal minority of evangelicals. But I do think is becoming more popular among them. South of the border almost all of them believe in the two stage second coming with rapture end of the world.
 
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